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To: JAG 5000

That whole thing with the sinner’s prayer is spiritually off.

Look at most christians’ favorite verse in the bible, John 3:16. It says NOTHING about sin.

Now look at the next verse. John 3:17 says that Jesus did not come to judge.

So who are we to be bringing up sin, righteousness and judgement. That is NOT our job! Our job is to deliver ONLY good news, not bad news.

The holy Spirit has the unenviable job of convincing people of their sin, what righteousness looks like, and the judgement awaiting those who discard the message. It is the Holy Spirit’s job, not ours.

Preach the good news, not the bad news.


5 posted on 03/05/2021 9:13:43 AM PST by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo

Without a knowledge of sin and its consequences the good news isn’t really good news. One must see a need for a savior before one wants a savior


7 posted on 03/05/2021 9:16:56 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: Kevmo

Um read the rkmans road to salvation passagesit mentions sin and the need for salvation plenty.

For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ the lord


11 posted on 03/05/2021 9:31:11 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Kevmo

“Look at most christians’ favorite verse in the bible, John 3:16. It says NOTHING about sin.”

Maybe not the verse, but the chapter does:

John 3:18-21 & 36 NKJV
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God...
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

“So who are we to be bringing up sin, righteousness and judgement. That is NOT our job! Our job is to deliver ONLY good news, not bad news.”

Ridiculous. Your proposition ignores the biblical definition of the Gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:1-8 NKJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Christ died for our SINS. Not just for a better life now. Not for success, health, a better marriage, or any other positive thing that may or may not be received by us from God. He dies for our SINS. A person who is not cognizant of sin is unaware of a need for salvation. And salvation from sin comes by the Gospel.

All of the biblical examples of the Gospel being preached include these same elements. The Gospel contains information (including an awareness of sin) and instructions (more particularly commands by God). The Gospel is something that must be obeyed in order for the hearer to benefit. The Gospel requires repentance and faith. It requires an understanding that Jesus is Lord (Yahweh) and Savior.

“The holy Spirit has the unenviable job of convincing people of their sin, what righteousness looks like, and the judgement awaiting those who discard the message. It is the Holy Spirit’s job, not ours.”

The Holy Spirit is not a nebulous cosmic force like something out of Star Wars. He is a person who resides in believers in Christ. He operates in the preaching of the Gospel THROUGH those believers in whom He resides. An example of this is Peter preaching the Gospel in Act 2 AFTER receiving the Holy Spirit and many thousands believing. Another is Stephen who preached the Gospel in Acts 6 and 7 while being filled with the Spirit. The audience was convicted of sin but did not repent. Later though, Paul, who was among the crowd that murdered Stephen, did repent and trusted in Christ.


60 posted on 03/05/2021 2:51:21 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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