Posted on 03/05/2021 8:56:42 AM PST by JAG 5000
“I’ll post what I like when I like. Who are you to order me to do anythjng?”
It wasn’t an order. It was advice.
“Are any people innocent of being sinners?”
You said God does not kill the innocent so some must be innocent. How do you define innocent? Without sin?
Babies would surely be innocent as they are without sin. Surely the unborn are without sin.
Actually, there is a good answer to it.
Yes, God killed innocents with the Great Flood. No, God was not wrong in doing so.
Life--every life--is God's to do with as He wills. That is why "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is a commandment to us. Others' lives are not ours to take. Our lives are not ours to take, thus suicide is covered in that as well.
However, since God created all, every life is God's to do with as He pleases. We are not the Potter, and the clay should not question the Potter as to His will with the clay.
“I defined what the children who died were. Several times now.”
Nope.
“Yes, God killed innocents with the Great Flood. “
Thanks. If you had said that in response to my original question we could have avoided a lot of needless ‘discussion’.
For reference, here is your initial statement from #3 that you now accept as innaccurate.
“He did not kill innocent people .”
Babies are not without sin, they are born into the si. Nature, there are none rkghteous. The difference with babies is that they are before the age of reason, or knowledge, or whomever you wish to say it. They will not be held accountable for their sin state because they don’t know any better before a certain age.
There are no e who are without sin, none righteous apart from Christ
Wrong conversation. Post #3 was not mine.
You are posting to the wrong person. I dissagree with shadows e, there are none who are without sin
OOPS!
“there are none who are without sin”
What is the sin of an unborn?
[[you now accept as innaccurate.]]
Nothing I said was jnnacurate
psalm 51:5 Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.
In actuality, per the Bible, yes.
For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
As by one man sin entered the world and so death passed upon all men.
However, I also feel the Bible supports that those who died not capable of “knowing their right hand from their left hand” are forgiven in the presence of the Lord.
Nice christian response there. Jesus always preached to repent the. preached the Good news. Knowledge of sin comes first then comes the Gospel
i feel the same- There is disagreements on this issue- but i think there is enough in the bible to support the things you posted-
That was David’s lament, not God’s word. Several translations and interpretations are available.
It is almost universally accepted that it does not mean the unborn are sinners.
“For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.”
And how have the unborn sinned?
no sorry, it’s not ‘almost universally accepted’, it’s only accepted by those who reject original sin being passed down- many folks do not believe that way-
If you meant ‘almost universally accepted’ by a certain religious denomination- then ok-
” it’s only accepted by those who reject original sin being passed down-”
The consequences of the original sin are passed down through generations but that does not make one a sinner upon conception or birth.
“Look at most christians’ favorite verse in the bible, John 3:16. It says NOTHING about sin.”
Maybe not the verse, but the chapter does:
John 3:18-21 & 36 NKJV
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God...
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
“So who are we to be bringing up sin, righteousness and judgement. That is NOT our job! Our job is to deliver ONLY good news, not bad news.”
Ridiculous. Your proposition ignores the biblical definition of the Gospel:
1 Corinthians 15:1-8 NKJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
Christ died for our SINS. Not just for a better life now. Not for success, health, a better marriage, or any other positive thing that may or may not be received by us from God. He dies for our SINS. A person who is not cognizant of sin is unaware of a need for salvation. And salvation from sin comes by the Gospel.
All of the biblical examples of the Gospel being preached include these same elements. The Gospel contains information (including an awareness of sin) and instructions (more particularly commands by God). The Gospel is something that must be obeyed in order for the hearer to benefit. The Gospel requires repentance and faith. It requires an understanding that Jesus is Lord (Yahweh) and Savior.
“The holy Spirit has the unenviable job of convincing people of their sin, what righteousness looks like, and the judgement awaiting those who discard the message. It is the Holy Spirit’s job, not ours.”
The Holy Spirit is not a nebulous cosmic force like something out of Star Wars. He is a person who resides in believers in Christ. He operates in the preaching of the Gospel THROUGH those believers in whom He resides. An example of this is Peter preaching the Gospel in Act 2 AFTER receiving the Holy Spirit and many thousands believing. Another is Stephen who preached the Gospel in Acts 6 and 7 while being filled with the Spirit. The audience was convicted of sin but did not repent. Later though, Paul, who was among the crowd that murdered Stephen, did repent and trusted in Christ.
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