[Cronos]

Nah, the deceivers are those who teach the pre tribulation rapture. That’s a fake philosophy that denies Christ’s very words.

You gave Pseudo ephraim as your “proof” for the pre tribulation rapture philosophy having earlier origins than the 19th century and darby. But that is false.

The Pseudo ephraim text is explicitly non pre tribulation rapture.

The very words of Jesus show the falsehoods in your philosophy.

Jesus didn’t promise us a magic get away card.

On the contrary He told us to expect to suffer for him. You deny that

[MHGinTN]

See post #11. LOL

[Old Yeller]

On the contrary He told us to expect to suffer for him. You deny that

Believers will/may suffer persecution at the hands of human, but God says believers will not suffer God's wrath.