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To: Cronos
So a born-again Christian like Ravi Zacharias or yourself doesn't sin - it's just your bodies that sin, that's what you're saying? That the sins you or Ravi commit/committed weren't done by "you" but by "your flesh"?

Well, you're on the right track...Bible says we do sin but at the same time it says we can't sin...And then it says when we do sin that sin won't be attributed to us...Looking at those seeming contradictions, and relying on our own genius we determine the bible isn't worth the paper it was written on so we throw the bible out with the bath water...But the reality is, we aren't required to understand those things, even with our advanced, trained human logic...All that's required is we believe what we read...It is God then who will open our understanding...And he does...

You clearly don't understand this born again thing...You're still trying to figure out how we can get back into the womb...You can't figure out how Paul could continue to sin in Romans 7 while he was the head Apostle...

You want us to pay a price for the sins we commit, it's only fair...You can't seem to accept the fact that spiritually Jesus already paid that price for us...I guess that's why you guys won't let Jesus come down off the Cross...He has to keep paying and keep paying because we/you continue to sin...

You don't seem to get that when we became born again we went from darkness to light...That judgement that you want us to go thru at the end of the book of Revelation ain't gonna happen...Jesus paid OUR penalty...The moment we accepted Jesus as our Savior we became (just) justified (by grace)...When God looks at us he sees his Son...(There are some pretty good perks to being a Christian)...

Now, do we sin??? Of course we do...That's unavoidable...Is that sin counted against us in our position in the family of God??? Nope...So where is justice, you say...

Jesus tells us that sometimes he will take us out behind the wood shed for a talking to...Jesus tells us the church may ban us from their presence...Jesus tells us he may end our life on Earth (sickness, execution, accident)...Some may spend a long time in jail...Jesus tells us some may not be reprimanded at all here on Earth for some things but we will be reprimanded with a lack of the many rewards that will be available in heaven...My mansion may turn out to be a dinette in the basement of heaven...

244 posted on 03/03/2021 5:30:45 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Cronos; Iscool

In post 244, Iscool is clearly stating any willful, unrepentant sin is fair game, because you will still be forgiven and be in heaven.


253 posted on 03/03/2021 7:01:50 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Iscool
Paul in Romans 7 says clearly e know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold into slavery to sin. -- he doesn't pass the buck with "It was just my body/soul that sinned, me, I have no sin"

You clearly don't understand this born from above thing,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Titus 3:5 not because of any righteous deeds we had done
but because of his mercy,
he saved us through the bath of rebirth
and renewal by the holy Spirit,

Rom. 6:3–4 3 Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.

Acts 2:38 38 Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized,[a] every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

you don't seem to have any idea about Christianity -- as you reject the Trinity that Catholics, Orthodox, Copts, Assyrians, Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals etc. all believe in

273 posted on 03/04/2021 12:07:50 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Iscool
Iscool --you don't seem to have any idea about Christianity -- as you reject the Trinity that Catholics, Orthodox, Copts, Assyrians, Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals etc. all believe in

You said I don't believe in the Catholic trinity.

What's so difficult for you to understand what boatbums, MHG, etc. all believe in?

274 posted on 03/04/2021 12:09:30 AM PST by Cronos
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