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Rome Without A Pope: Jorge Mario Bergoglio is There, but not Peter.
Stilum Curiae ^ | February 21, 2021 | Aldo Maria Valli

Posted on 02/22/2021 2:28:54 PM PST by ebb tide

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1 posted on 02/22/2021 2:28:54 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Marx lives behind The Walls.


2 posted on 02/22/2021 2:29:41 PM PST by Paladin2
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3 posted on 02/22/2021 2:29:50 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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This is an excellent article, very important stuff right at the end so read it all Friends!

Really good translation too, I thought it must be one after I accepted their cookies in Italian (hope that’s what I did), but confirmed by the charming translator’s note about the sports newspaper.

Thanks so much for sharing this!


4 posted on 02/22/2021 2:53:34 PM PST by jocon307 (Dem party delenda est!)
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To: ebb tide

I can imagine a schism within the Roman church, conservative Catholics seeking to abandon Rome and revisit the idea of Moscow, Third Rome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_as_the_Third_Rome

When the original great center of Christendom, Rome, fell to the barbarians, the center shifted east to Constantinople. So when in turn, Constantinople fell, Moscow assumed that it would become the “third Rome” of Christianity.

They were unhappy when instead it shifted back to Rome, and they have never forgotten the slight.

However, by default, they have now become the center of conservative Orthodox Christianity in the world. And so, if the corruption within the Roman church becomes too great, many conservative Christians, Catholic and even Protestant, may see communion with the Orthodox churches.


5 posted on 02/22/2021 3:05:14 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All men and women were created by the, you know, you know, the thing." -- Joe Biden 3/3/20)
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To: ebb tide

We see transubstantiation in the reverse. Normally with transubstantiation the bread turns into flesh and the wine into blood. With Francis, he turns into a neo Marxist. We are really watch Marx make a mockery of the faith.


6 posted on 02/22/2021 3:15:36 PM PST by BEJ
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To: ebb tide

Diabolical article. Those who claim the Pope is not Peter are in Hell.


7 posted on 02/22/2021 3:16:36 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: ebb tide

That’s because he isn’t the Pope - Benedict is.


8 posted on 02/22/2021 3:19:46 PM PST by PAR35
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To: ebb tide
thanks for posting this. I just saw it and was planning to post it and you beat me to it.

This about says it all:

In Amoris Laetitia we read: “The Church must accompany with attention and care the weakest of her children” (Ch. 8, para. 291). I’m sorry, but that’s not how it is. The Church must convert sinners.

Yes. Teach us how to find Jesus. And show us how to live as God's children in the duties of our daily lives, not just preach we have to be "green" and support a new world order.

and the German Church shennanigans just show that maybe they need some good Filipino and African immigrants to preach the gospel to these heathen.

9 posted on 02/22/2021 3:21:30 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Not a Catholic but like what this guys says. Nice to see someone with a clear eye and head.


10 posted on 02/22/2021 3:26:00 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: cmj328

So Bergoglio, who evidently dissociates himself from Apostolic succession and Peter, is in hell?


11 posted on 02/22/2021 3:33:11 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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who evidently dissociates himself from Apostolic succession and Peter

This is an outright lie.

It's a lie that he dissociates himself from the Apostolic succession.

It's a lie that he dissociates himself from the Petrine office.

And it's a damnable lie that it's evident.

12 posted on 02/22/2021 3:38:46 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: ebb tide

Today is the Feast of the Chair of Saint Peter. And, sadly, a heretic is defiling that Chair.


13 posted on 02/22/2021 3:43:29 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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Judas Boogalooglue should be forcefully and permanently expelled.

14 posted on 02/22/2021 3:48:52 PM PST by Songcraft
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To: ebb tide

I read about the Babylonian Captivity, the period in the early 14th century during which there were seven consecutive Popes based out of Avignon and not Rome. I take it we’re not talking about that again, yes?


15 posted on 02/22/2021 3:50:48 PM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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This is an excellent article, very important stuff right at the end so read it all Friends!

It asks, Who is the pope? but I did not see an answer. I understand what that would be asked since the SJWP (Social Justice Warrior Pope) today is of a different spirit than those Catholics look to as valid popes, but did not prepare them for deposing a pope like Francis. Not that I look to Rome, having left years ago for conservative evangelical pasture in the land of the living, thank God, not among those mostly spiritually dead.

16 posted on 02/22/2021 3:54:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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Bergoglio only lists himself to be Bishop of Rome, no other titles, in the papal yearbook:

Other than ‘bishop of Rome,’ yearbook lists papal titles as ‘historic’

17 posted on 02/22/2021 3:56:51 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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I read about the Babylonian Captivity, the period in the early 14th century during which there were seven consecutive Popes based out of Avignon and not Rome. I take it we’re not talking about that again, yes?

No: but unlike Scripture, leadership too often does go South:

 "Some years before the rise of the Lutheran and Calvinistic heresy, according to the testimony of those who were then alive, there was almost an entire abandonment of equity in ecclesiastical judgments; in morals, no discipline; in sacred literature, no erudition; in divine things, no reverence; religion was almost extinct. (Concio XXVIII. Opp. Vi. 296- Colon 1617, in “A History of the Articles of Religion,” by Charles Hardwick, Cp. 1, p. 10,)

 • The Avignon Papacy (1309-76) relocated the throne to France and was followed by the Western Schism (1378-1417), with three rival popes excommunicating each other and their sees. Referring to the schism of the 14th and 15th centuries,

•Cardinal Ratzinger observed,

"For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution.“

"It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation. (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for the Church of Rome, “Principles of Catholic Theology,” trans. by Sister Mary Frances McCarthy, S.N.D. (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989) p.196). http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2012/06/13/whos-in-charge-here-the-illusions-of-church-infallibility/)

Catholic historian Paul Johnson additionally described the existing social situation among the clergy during this period leading up to the Refomation: 

Probably as many as half the men in orders had ‘wives’ and families. Behind all the New Learning and the theological debates, clerical celibacy was, in its own way, the biggest single issue at the Reformation. It was a great social problem and, other factors being equal, it tended to tip the balance in favour of reform. As a rule, the only hope for a child of a priest was to go into the Church himself, thus unwillingly or with no great enthusiasm, taking vows which he might subsequently regret: the evil tended to perpetuate itself.” (History of Christianity, pgs 269-270)

18 posted on 02/22/2021 3:58:43 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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To: ebb tide

Ooh, a fact. The Devil loves to use facts.

Pope Francis claims succession from Peter.

http://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en/holy-father/san-pietro.html


19 posted on 02/22/2021 4:00:04 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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The problem. is this is what happens when you give any man the blasphemous title Vkcar if Christ and Holy Father and set them up to be infallible in matters if faith. Peter (not the first pope or even leader of the entire church at that time) would be appalled. As should all Christians


20 posted on 02/22/2021 4:03:19 PM PST by Mom MD
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