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The Bible In Paintings, #182: PSALM 22 - "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
Bing Images | c.2200 BC - c.95 AD | by the Father, Son & Holy Spirit

Posted on 01/16/2021 6:02:02 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6

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C L I C K :

To read PSALM 22 in full
To hear MAX McLEAN reading it
To hear a DRAMATIZATION of it
HIGHLY recommended by Maudeen!
To see an ANIMATION of the Psalms







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CHAPTER 22

For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the LORD,” they say,
“let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”

9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

19 But you, LORD, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!

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CHAPTER 22

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

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Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.

3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.


by RICHARD McBEE
"Exodus"

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6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the LORD,” they say,
“let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”

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by CARAVAGGIO
"The Mocking of Christ"

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9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

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11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.

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by MIHÁLY MUNKÁCSY
"Ecce Homo ("Crucify Him")"

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14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.

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16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.

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by JAMES TISSOT
"Jesus' View"

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18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

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19 But you, LORD, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

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22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

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25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the LORD will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!

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27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the LORD,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
and he rules over the nations.

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29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.

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30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!

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SNEAK PEEK: Next time,
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R E S O U R C E S

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Links to three masters who painted Biblical scenes prolifically:

REMBRANDT HARMENSZOON van RIJN

GUSTAV DORÉ
241 wood engravings for
La Grande Bible de Tours

JAMES TISSOT
180 watercolors depicting Bible scenes

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Links to two Bibles with comprehensive illustrations:

The Art Bible (1896)

The Maciejowski-Morgan Bible (c.1245)

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This series keeps moving from one Bible passage to another,
so here is a fascinating and enjoyable link to assist in following along:
BIBLE TIMELINE

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Finally, what God did to initiate The Bible In Paintings:
HOW GOD STARTED THIS SERIES
BY SHOWING ME JUST ONE PICTURE

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SPECIAL THANKS
to FReeper left that other site,
who allowed God to make her His conduit
for incomparable enthusiasm, encouragement,
education, advice and technical assistance!

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NOTES ON MY SELECTION CRITERIA

A r t
Q u a l i t y
The Bible and its Author are my focus, not the art: this is The Bible in Paintings, not "Great Paintings" nor even "Good Paintings." So, works need not be masterpieces to qualify for inclusion here—they don't need to be housed at the Louvre nor auctioned by Sotheby's. They only need to illustrate successfully some aspect of the Biblical text or, frankly, just tickle my fancy, which I'm always asking the Holy Spirit to guide.

Often, artists misrepresent the Scripture, but unless the error is material, licentious or heretical I usually include the artwork, trusting that the Spirit is perfectly capable of defending Himself. So, with such forgiving filters, it means that you're seeing practically everything I'm finding.

T e x t
S e q u e n c i n g
The Protestant Canon does not (for several reasons) follow a strictly chronological sequence. There are many examples where, for God's good purposes, stories are told out-of-order. Nevertheless, for the sake of simplicity, clarity, and my sanity, I have chosen to proceed linearly and methodically from Genesis onward, illustrating each Bible passage as we come to it. Where two passages cover the same incident I omit the second telling, excepting the four Gospels which I will treat synoptically. Now, onward!

P a c i n g
The pace here may seem appallingly snail-like to those eager to see their favorite events illustrated. My commission is to search for art on each Bible passage in sequence: if I find enough, then it becomes the next installment, even if undramatic (but where there is little or no art, that Bible passage goes untold here).

Then, there is the human element: this is not actually a daily series, because I can only research, compose, edit and post five or six of these installments weekly. And because I only get to do this series once, I'm taking my time, chiefly by posting everything; if I find lots of art, I don't cherry-pick some and discard the rest. Rather, I line up all of them and then sort them into manageable bunches, often resulting in multiple days' episodes of the same story. Obviously, I like being thorough. Were you in a big hurry?

The Bible is a thick book, as you know; but we'll get there eventually, Lord willing—this is His project, after all. And always remember:
love, joy, peace, patience kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness & self-control is a fruit of the Spirit!

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Art is merely the Toy Department of Bible study,
so I'm just having fun here—I hope you are, too!
Thank you for your understanding.

Hebrews 11:6
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To: Maudeen

These Maudeens are a clever bunch.


21 posted on 01/16/2021 9:18:47 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Fawn

“You think Jesus went voluntarily? I didn’t realize he had a choice.... People get mad at me, but I believe we have somewhat of a cruel God....not Jesus...jus God. He always so much pain, suffering, cruelty....for innocents. Just always bothered me..”

God had a choice from the very beginning of Creation. He could make independent beings who would sin or He could not. If He made them, He’d have to die for them to save them. That is when the choice for Jesus’ death occurred and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all agreed, before Creation.

All time is laid out before God. He sees every choice and alternative by every creature. He exists in all time simultaneously. This is so far beyond us it’s barely imaginable.

We see the cruelty and pain of sin. Sin comes from freedom of choice. With no freedom of choice there is no sin, but also no salvation. All the pain is worth it for the eternal salvation of mankind.

Personally, I believe God Himself feels every pain every person suffers. That is speculation on my part, based on His omniscience.


22 posted on 01/18/2021 6:11:33 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
"this forsaking lasted about 3 hours total

You argue for a temporary and brief forsaking, but there is a counterargument for a kind of permanent abandonment.

How can Jesus, by a "mere" six hours of excruciation followed by physical death, adequately atone for my sins and yours, to stand in for our eternity in hell that we justly deserve? The answer may be, in some tens of billions of extra dimensions that God has complete freedom to create, that Jesus voluntarily is still on that cross for all eternity--indeed, a separate "version" of Him for each one of us."

I've never heard of a permanent abandonment. Where did you hear such a thing? Rather, scripture shows Jesus on the cross for six hours, 9 am to 3 pm. The sun was darkened at noon, and just before 3 pm Jesus cried, 'My God, My God ...'.

There's actually no revelation Jesus was abandoned at all. That is speculation. Rather, in John 17, Jesus says He and His Father are one. I suspect Jesus did not feel God on the cross, just as we don't always feel God, but I think God felt all His pain.

Regarding the sufficiency of His sacrifice, how six hours on the cross (and the scourging--which was almost enough to kill Him) was sufficient for the sins of all mankind, consider that God is infinite. His death in Christ pays for infinite sins. Indeed, I feel God overpaid for the salvation of mankind, even if we grow to Googleplex in number across the universe.

23 posted on 01/18/2021 6:21:55 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
the scourging--which was almost enough to kill Him

Ultimately, the scourging finally did kill Him, through blood loss leading to cardiac arrest. Crucifixion is known colloquially as "the moving death," because to breathe the sufferer must constantly lift himself to draw a breath; that prevented Jesus' back wounds from coagulating over those six hours. For perhaps the definitive study of the physiologic trauma inherent in Jesus' crucifixion, see this 14-page article by engineer and physician Dr, Alex Metherell, which makes that argument persuasively. It is compelling reading.

Where did you hear such a thing?

Dr. Hugh Ross has advanced this theory several times verbally, although I don't recall if his voluminous writings include it. I'll make a cursory search today on his Reasons to Believe website.

God is infinite. His death in Christ pays for infinite sins.

That Jesus' death was sufficient is settled. How Jesus' death was sufficient is (a) subsidiary and (b) speculative. I suspect we'll learn "how" eventually, but I know we will celebrate its fact eternally.

24 posted on 01/18/2021 7:41:57 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6; Fawn
Jesus voluntarily is still on that cross for all eternity--indeed, a separate "version" of Him for each one of us.

Thank you so much for this beautiful thread! I couldn't help but also follow your conversation. I love to discuss Jesus!

A few Scriptures come to mind. We have no other Jesus than the Jesus of Scripture. Any other Jesus than He who is revealed in the Bible is a god made up by man, on the same level as worshiping unicorns.

As soon as Jesus had taken the wine, He said, "It is finished." And then, bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.
John 19:30

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
Hebrews 10:12

And when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:18

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit,
1 Peter 3:18

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”…
Acts 7:55-56

"But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”
Luke 22:69

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
Colossians 3:1

The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Psalm 110:1

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
Hebrews 1:3

These verses show that Jesus himself said, "It is finished," and other verses back this up by saying his sacrifice for sin was "once for all," and "no sacrifice for sins is left."

Then there are the OODLES of verses that show Jesus at God's right hand, usually seated as on a throne, except when he stood to receive Stephen, the church's first martyr (his story would make a nice paintings thread!).

25 posted on 01/18/2021 11:04:20 AM PST by .30Carbine (Matthew 24:24)
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To: .30Carbine
"his story WILL make a nice paintings thread!"

Thanks immensely for taking the substantial time and effort, and exercising your considerable faith and knowledge, to post such a series of verses relevant to the issue. Given the inclination, I could have done likewise, though perhaps not with quite your alacrity.

You've presented a formidable and indeed conclusive case for the proposition that I never doubted or questioned. But as we've seen too many times to argue, God's Word often contains deeper meanings (not implying gnostically). All of those Scriptures' veracity still admit the possibility that I suggested. I'm merely saying this may be one of the innumerable surprises we will surely encounter.

I join with you in your love of discussing Jesus.

26 posted on 01/18/2021 11:28:33 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

“I join with you in your love of discussing Jesus.”

Amen!


27 posted on 01/18/2021 12:55:29 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner; .30Carbine
“I join with you in your love of discussing Jesus.” One stage removed from discussing with Jesus, which we do now with great satisfaction through His Word and in prayer, and through the Spirit. But I'm sure I speak for all three of us when I express my increasingly intense longing for face-to-face discussion with Him.

I saw Jesus in person once, though we did not speak--and I have a living witness who attests every word.

It was 1983 and Cheryl and I had been married for nearly five years. My Christian employer (and mother in the faith) sent all the Christian couples to the South Coast Plaza Hotel in Costa Mesa for an all-weekend marriage-strengthening conference, Enjoying Marriage, wonderfully hosted by Ron and Betty Wiseman. Its theme was Ecclesiastes 4:12, "A cord of three strands is not quickly broken": make Jesus the third strand of your marriage.

On Saturday evening all 35 couples were standing and praying, spouses holding each others' hands, heads bowed and eyes closed. Suddenly, through my closed eyes I saw Jesus walk directly to Cheryl and me, through the table in front of us, and add his hand to ours, as that third strand. He said nothing, nor did He look up--His head was bowed, too, so I couldn't see His face. But I knew with certainty Who it was.

You learn a lot about yourself in unique situations. I learned that I'm like Peter, who broke up the Mount of Transfiguration because he couldn't bite his tongue. I broke it up by turning to Cheryl and whispering (the prayer leader was still talking), "Did you see that?" She did! But Jesus was gone, at least from right in front of us.

Why did He pick us? I can think of at least these reasons:

* He knew I would tell the Wisemans, who had me relate the story to everyone on Sunday morning.
* He knew I would tell the world, which as you can see I'm still doing.
* He knew our marriage faced significant stresses which absolutely require Him to be its third strand, and we are happily married now in our forty-third year.

Postscript

Cannot resist adding this related vignette. Cheryl and I were standing in the hall admiring the view when three people emerged from the elevator: a groom in his tuxedo, a bride in her white wedding gown, and the bellhop pushing their luggage cart. The bellhop produced his passkey (it was 1983) and opened the roomdoor, about twenty feet from us. The groom masterfully hoisted his bride and carried her across the threshold, the bellhop followed, and the door shut. Having seen Jesus half an hour prior, we two old pros hoped this new marriage would have Him as its third strand, too.

When that door reopened a moment later, the bellhop appeared as expected, but then so did the happy couple, all three trying to pretend we weren't still standing there watching. All three went to the room next door, the bellhop repeated his unlocking, the groom repeated his hoisting, and they disappeared once again. And we fell on the floor laughing, at least figuratively.

28 posted on 01/18/2021 3:03:17 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
We see the cruelty and pain of sin.

Every day i see tons of animals suffering, alot I personally care or have cared for. HOw is that sin? Animals can't sin. I also see alot of poor people trying to make it ... living in crime infested areas and so poor....so many other them still praise God for...and are good people. How are they sinners?? If you think about it, look what GOd did to his own son...Jesus? I see too much and suffer with heartbreaks and unnecessary suffering almost every single day...

29 posted on 01/18/2021 4:30:09 PM PST by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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To: Fawn; Forgiven_Sinner
Fawn, with Forgiven_Sinner not responding so far to your important question, I wonder if I may.

You are, of course, entirely correct that animals cannot sin. Yet animals suffer in this world. God designed predators to benefit their prey by eliminating the aged, weak, injured and sick, thus preventing starvation through overgrazing and resulting in larger numbers of healthy animals. But human sin often causes unnecessary pain and cruelty to innocent animals, and humans will continue doing that until the new creation; the Bible describes animals enjoying an idyllic existence then, with the lion lying down peacefully with the lamb.

You ask about suffering people, "How are they sinners??" Everyone is a sinner (see Romans 3). Sin is defined as "missing the mark." What mark is that? Start with the Ten Commandments: everyone has broken several. Jesus explained that just breaking one "in your heart" is all it takes. Ever tell a lie, or have a lustful thought, or covet others' possessions, or steal something, or hate someone? Everyone, when they're honest, admits doing those. And God won't let sinners into heaven, because it is a refuge from sin; He lets in only those whose slates have been wiped clean by Jesus and are willing to let God remake them into saints—being born again.

God is determined that billions will experience a joyful eternity with Him. But it takes thousands of years for that many to accept Him, generation after generation. God gives every person two opportunities: first, to discover their sinfulness and need for a Savior; second, to accept Jesus.

In the meantime, the world is full of people who abuse one another. This world is rapidly drawing to a close, and God is ridding the universe of evil absolutely as quickly as possible. Then, those who have Jesus as Lord and Savior will never see sin again.

30 posted on 01/19/2021 8:31:57 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD? Then SEEK HIM!)
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To: Fawn; Hebrews 11:6
I was a little overwhelmed by all your questions, Fawn. Let's address them, although Hebrews 11:6 answered well.

Every day i see tons of animals suffering, alot I personally care or have cared for. HOw is that sin? Animals can't sin. Right. Animals don't sin, but sin causes suffering. A lot of human behavior leads to diseases or pollution that hurt animals. The sad fact is that our sin doesn't just hurt us, it hurts others and it hurts God.

I also see alot of poor people trying to make it ... living in crime infested areas and so poor....so many other them still praise God for...and are good people. How are they sinners??

They are sinners because they are human. They may or may not have caused or contributed to their suffering, but regardless, some sin did. God didn't intend people to be poor. That's a result of man rejecting God at the garden of Eden. When we sin, we cut ourselves off from God and His guidance and go it alone. That'll lead to the survival of the fittest, usually by dictatorship and oppression. Under God's rule, we'd have rulers by a Servant-leader who died for us.

If you think about it, look what GOd did to his own son...Jesus? I see too much and suffer with heartbreaks and unnecessary suffering almost every single day...

Yes, all suffering is unnecessary. But we choose it every time we sin.

God is of one mind and one will regarding Jesus' sacrifice. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all agreed on His sacrifice before the creation of anything. God, being all-knowing, knew when He created independent beings, they would sin. He planned to save us before He made us. As our Creator, Jesus' life is worth more than all of our lives, and thus, by His suffering and death in our place, all our sins are paid for.

31 posted on 01/20/2021 4:10:07 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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