Posted on 12/18/2020 6:20:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
This is not the time for flights of spiritual fantasy. Either the charismatic prophets who declared unanimously that Donald Trump would be reelected to a second consecutive term were right or they were wrong. Either there is going to be some last minute, seemingly miraculous intervention that overturns the vote of the electoral college, or Trump will not serve a second consecutive term.
There is no middle ground. There is no third option. There is no reality in which Trump actually did win but in fact didn’t win. Or in which he’s the president in God’s sight but not in man’s sight.
Not a chance. To entertain possibilities like this is to mock the integrity of prophecy and to make us charismatics look like total fools. (To our critics, we already do look like fools, but that’s another matter. Sometimes truth itself can seem foolish to those who reject it.)
To be clear, I myself am a charismatic, having spoken in tongues since January 24, 1972. I have even been called the leading apologist for the charismatic movement by those outside of the movement. And I am a strong believer in prophetic ministry today, having participated in it on different levels over the years.
Not only so, but some of the prophetic voices most clearly proclaiming a Trump victory (even to this moment) are respected colleagues, genuine men of God. Some are even friends. And if they end up being wrong, I will not throw them under the bus. Instead, I will do my best to meet with them, together with other leaders, and ask, “What went wrong? How could so many miss it together so badly? How could so many claim to be speaking for the Lord while at the same time misrepresenting His voice?”
These will be serious questions and there must be serious accountability, reflection, and even repentance.
That’s why it’s important that we lay out the options plainly now: they were either right or wrong.
“But,” someone will say, “what if the prophecies expressed God’s desire but were contingent on our faith?”
In theory that could be an option. But it evaporates when someone says, “I guarantee it. Joe Biden will not serve a single day in the White House. Trump will serve another four years.”
Plus, even when the words have not been that direct, there has been plenty of faith for Trump’s reelection. That’s why so many believers were shocked when the votes went Biden’s way.
And in any case, if we could blame unbelief on every prophecy that was not fulfilled, all accountability would go out the window.
“You see, my prophecy over you was true. God promised that you would be a billionaire within 12 months of my word, but you didn’t have enough faith. It’s on you.”
Too bad the false prophets in biblical days didn’t figure this excuse out. It might have saved them from being stoned as false prophets.
“But,” you say, “I’ve heard Christian leaders say that Trump will end up serving this next term and that massive fraud will be uncovered, but only if we pray enough.”
To that I say: I have never seen so much mobilized prayer in my life. If prayer was going to do it, Trump would be president until he was 90.
No, the fact is that either these prophets heard accurately from God, as some of them did more than four years ago when they said Trump would be our next president, seemingly against all odds, or they did not hear accurately from God. Period.
Let us not make a mockery of truth.
A friend sent me a video where a prophetic leader now claims that the real results will not be made manifest until March. Inauguration Day, he declared, will have no meaning.
And on and it will go until reality has been exchanged for fantasy – and in the name of the Holy Spirit at that.
To witness this unfold is as heartbreaking as it is scary. Where does it end?
In the church where I came to faith in late 1971, the pastor told us an amusing story.
A guest speaker was ministering to the congregation, and after the sermon, he had some personal prophetic words for the people.
He told one woman standing in the front of the building that God was calling her as a missionary to India. He told another man standing in the back of the building that God was calling him as a missionary to China. What the guest speaker didn’t know was that they were married.
When they got in the car, they were both very excited.
The wife said, “The man of God told me we’re called to be missionaries and we’re going to India!”
He replied, “No, the man of God told me we’re called to be missionaries and we’re going to China!”
Confused, they went back into the building to ask for clarification, explaining to the speaker that he gave them two conflicting prophecies.
He smiled and said, “No, there’s no contradiction. God is calling you to Indochina.”
I appeal to my prophetic friends and colleagues (and those I don’t know personally), please don’t play spiritual games like this. Please don’t bring further reproach to the name of the Lord whom we love and serve.
Either your words will come to pass with astonishing accuracy and the nation will witness the miraculous reelection of Donald Trump, or your words will prove false.
Will you sign on the dotted line and make that “no excuses” and “no rationalizations” commitment today? The world is watching.
The election is not over. Nobody has stolen it, though one side is desperately trying to. I will call it “stolen” when Biden is successfully sworn in.
Have we marched around Jericho seven times yet?
I learned in 2008 not to predict the will of the people. I may be able to predict at what speed in a turn a car may slide off the road, but when it comes to elections, pffth, who knows what the people will do. Mix in a heavy dose of voter fraud and its anybody’s guess.
But I’ve said for years that voter fraud can only work when it’s a “close” election. That’s why it was such an utter failure this time. And it will not stand - even if Biden IS sworn in.
Shocked?... Hardly.... I expected it.....Democrats cheat. It's what they do...I was not surprised.................
Only thing shocking is how seemingly unprepared we were.
The key to understanding is this which came later from the Book of Jeremiah which clarifies the teachings in Deuteronomy 18.Verses 1-12 are particularly to understand on how God can change His mind on what He allows. If Biden is in the civilized world does not have long. It will be a smoking pile of ashes and then the rise of the Anti Christ.
Jeremiah 18
18The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2‘Come, go down to the potter’s house, and there I will let you hear my words.’ 3So I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was working at his wheel. 4The vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter’s hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as seemed good to him.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 6Can I not do with you, O house of Israel, just as this potter has done? says the Lord. Just like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. 9And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it. 11Now, therefore, say to the people of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: Thus says the Lord: Look, I am a potter shaping evil against you and devising a plan against you. Turn now, all of you from your evil way, and amend your ways and your doings.
12 But they say, ‘It is no use! We will follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of our evil will.’
13 Therefore, thus says the Lord:
Ask among the nations:
Who has heard the like of this?
The virgin Israel has done
a most horrible thing.
14 Does the snow of Lebanon leave
the crags of Sirion?*
Do the mountain* waters run dry,*
the cold flowing streams?
15 But my people have forgotten me,
they burn offerings to a delusion;
they have stumbled* in their ways,
in the ancient roads,
and have gone into bypaths,
not the highway,
16 making their land a horror,
a thing to be hissed at for ever.
All who pass by it are horrified
and shake their heads.
17 Like the wind from the east,
I will scatter them before the enemy.
I will show them my back, not my face,
on the day of their calamity.
18 Then they said, ‘Come, let us make plots against Jeremiah—for instruction shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, let us bring charges against him,* and let us not heed any of his words.’
19 Give heed to me, O Lord,
and listen to what my adversaries say!
20 Is evil a recompense for good?
Yet they have dug a pit for my life.
Remember how I stood before you
to speak good for them,
to turn away your wrath from them.
21 Therefore give their children over to famine;
hurl them out to the power of the sword,
let their wives become childless and widowed.
May their men meet death by pestilence,
their youths be slain by the sword in battle.
22 May a cry be heard from their houses,
when you bring the marauder suddenly upon them!
For they have dug a pit to catch me,
and laid snares for my feet.
23 Yet you, O Lord, know
all their plotting to kill me.
Do not forgive their iniquity,
do not blot out their sin from your sight.
Let them be tripped up before you;
deal with them while you are angry.
Agree. My cousin is into these prophets, and sent me no fewer than SIX who said Trump would be reelected.
No, prophetic word does not depend on faith. That’s the old Steve Martin/”Leap of Faith” thing that says prophecy is only good if WE do it.
If Trump doesn’t make it, I wonder what the fate of these false prophets will be? Because some got really famous over their 2016 prophecies (Mark Taylor comes to mind).
The Biblical standard for prophecy is harsh and exact 100% accurate or the prophecy is false and the false prophet deserving of death. God does not take lightly those who speak falsely in His name
If our side doesn’t figure this out and learn to cheat the same way, we’ll never win an election.
Republicans in the 1800s used to be really good at cheating.
I wasn’t shocked by that, either..................
Precisely.
A prophecy may reflect am insight on the will of G-d, but G-d will at times, and has at times, allow Satan to cause sin to intervene, testing us, and suggesting to us that we must wait until G-d’s purpose is fulfilled.
If you look at the election beyond Donald Trump, we had victories all over the place at the federal and state level and we blocked any “blue wave” from happening.
Across the nation, outside the White House, we stand much stronger than we did four years ago.
We won and we should be acting like it.
We can fight Biden/Harris and defeat their folks more in 2022 and 2024. The fight has not ended and does not end with Trump.
I and many others confidently said months prior to the election that Trump would win going away in the absence of cheating, which would be epic. We have been proven right.
Only thing shocking is how seemingly unprepared we were.
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We were prepared, we were prepared to surrender, at least the establishment GOP were.
“ There is no reality in which Trump actually did win but in fact didn’t win.”
We are living in a reality in which Trump actually did win but in fact didn’t appear to due to massive, organized voter fraud.
There is no discrepancy there.
Fascinating. God is calling me to preach the gospel in Indochina, or maybe just here.
Some prophetic types could have “heard” Trump will be elected or serve TWO TERMS, and assumed that meant RE-ELECTED. If Trump does not make it in 2020 but runs and wins in 2024, those words become valid.
Why should I believe in these “charismatic prophets” speaking in tongues? I have only their word for it they’re speaking for God and not their own desires. I’m not in the habit of just taking strangers at their word.
In the end it is the Electoral College who determines the next president, not these prophets. I think God abandoned us as a nation long ago. We’re on our own on this one.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see,
I think President Trump worked very hard and he won the election.
I also think there are a great many who are working very hard to take that win from him, including those who decide the outcome of the election.
Jesus died on the Cross, the Sacrifice of the Lamb for the salvation of the world.
This did happen and yet people then and now deny it.
Officially, according to the official powers of the day, that’s not true.
But truth is truth no matter what people say. Innocence or guilt, right or wrong, good or bad it’s all the same.
“Man doesn’t have the final say. God has the final say.”
Joel Osteen
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