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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“...since the Lord promised that there would come, in the future, an Antichrist who would have a global government,” the 81-year-old pastor said.”

Notice that he did not cite scripture and verse, because no such promise was made by the Lord.

Now, one could make the argument that the anti-christ was already in control of global government. During Christ’s temptation, Satan offered the kingdoms of the world, which were all in his possession, to Christ if He would worship him. Jesus did not dispute the assertion. If it had been a lie, it would not have been a temptation.


7 posted on 12/12/2020 6:39:35 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

You make great points. Thank you.


26 posted on 12/12/2020 7:11:26 AM PST by nwrep
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To: odawg

From the book of the Revelation. It is considered Gods word. So it is considered from the Lord.
Everybody knew that Satan is the prince of this world. So he would have the power to give the kingdoms to Jesus.
The prophecy in the Revalation is more specific for a person who will delude the world into obeying him. Namely the anti-Christ. Christ did not and will not delude. He will save your soul. The price for belief in Christ is high.


30 posted on 12/12/2020 7:22:55 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: odawg

We’ve cited verses and scripture ad nauseum to you in the past and you just insist on believing what you wish to believe.

So be it again...

It’s in there if you wish to read it, but we all know you don’t.


33 posted on 12/12/2020 7:40:16 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: odawg; Roman_War_Criminal; Getready

“Notice that he did not cite scripture and verse, because no such promise was made by the Lord.”

To satisfy my curiosity how will the antichrist/false prophet govern a world wide universal mark, manage the murder of millions that won’t worship the living image, and facilitate a world peace deal with Israel if he hasn’t a managing government in your view?

Second, satan counterfeites everything that is GOD, he wants to rule and reign his very own kingdom just like the King of kings.

If he doesn’t have a government then he’s not counterfeiting the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ nor His coming world wide millennial Kingdom ruled from Jerusalem?


46 posted on 12/12/2020 10:39:16 AM PST by mrobisr (Romans 10:9-10, yes it's that easy!)
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To: odawg

Since Jesus was the WORD made flesh, Christ’s reply is even more ironic and it is possible that even Satan missed it until the cross and then the raising of Christ from the grave. “It is written, you shall worship the Lord your God and only Him shall you worship!”

Since Jesus was the Word and God in flesh...Satan should have bowed down to worship Christ right there. Yes I know Christ subordinated himself to the Father and tells us to submit to the Father and to come to the Father thru Him.

What an irony...Satan telling Christ that Satan owns the world when the whole of the expression and personhood of God owns all of creation and Earth, Heaven and The Lake of Fire and Satan, too! The Bible says Christ made all things and that there was nothing that has been created that he did not make, being with the Father from the beginning.(John 1:3
“Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made”...and 1 Colossians 1:15-17 “15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…”)

The first scientist that “plugs in” Jesus Christ as the unifying force that will unlock the posited “Unifying Field theory” mathematically will win all the marbles. Science as we know it is stuck because they can’t even begin to guess how the universe down to the atomic level holds all together. Those two verses explains how it all holds together. Jesus was a part of the creation of all things without whom it would all fly apart.He is the Father’s thumbprint into our matter and energy universes and perhaps inter dimensionally as well. As a matter of fact Satan himself could not have existed if Christ had not existed as the linchpin upon which all of creation including all angels depended.

The audacity of Satan in asking his creator to worship him is astounding. So the choice of words Christ uses in rebuking Satan is interesting. Christ uses the third person in describing God as the one that Satan should have worshipped even though we know that it was Christ that made all things. Christ had so emptied himself for our sakes that he would not even count himself as equal with the Father, though Christ did say we could ask anything of the Father in Christ’s name. Perhaps the real temptation was to get Christ to assert his own authority despite his humanity and there-by spoil the integrity of the Salvation process. Christ had to die as fully man who had no sin so that the balance scales could be retipped and that we could be redeemed by God’s perfect sacrifice. If Christ asserted his authority as fully God then our salvation would be argued as having no legitimacy because God was violating his own weight and measures, cheating at his own game.

To the extent that the Godhead could ever have perished and be destroyed, it did so on that cross. The Father and Son and Spirit remained one as they shared Christ’s anguish and experienced that death the way humans experience death which is why the elements were shaken and the sun grew dark and the earthquaked and many of the dead were seen to have risen from their graves. Yet only sin brings spiritual death and since Christ was sinless, he could not stay dead but the Father raised him up!

Only then, I believe, did Satan start to grasp the whole of what the Father had planned and accomplished when the Son declared before giving up the ghost...”It is finished!”


66 posted on 12/12/2020 6:39:35 PM PST by mdmathis6
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