Posted on 12/03/2020 7:11:39 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Jesus stated - quite plainly - that all of these events MUST come to pass in the future (Matt 24). All the signs today point to this time and hour when the final outworking of godless lawlessness (iniquity) would engulf the entire world (Matt.24:12, 2 Thess. 2:3-12). There is absolutely nothing at present that can hinder this final lawless consumption of the world and the foretold global empire of Lucifer's anti-Christ and operation "666" (2 Thess. 2:7-12, Rev. 13). To believe otherwise is to be "anti-Christ" its self and the height of delusion and folly (1 John 2:19-23).
The Four Horsemen MUST ride... and no present-day "conservative movement" will stop them from their EXPONENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE global ride and rampage!
Mankind has exhausted ALL of its avenues and efforts and as we have seen first hand here in America that we as a nation have NOT gotten better but EXPONENTIALLY more lawless and morally and spiritually depraved! My dear friends... the Four Horsemen MUST ride... and no present-day "conservative movement" will stop them from their EXPONENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE global ride and rampage (Rev. 6)! We are seeing nationally the EXPONENTIAL disintegration of the rule of law right before our very eyes and once America implodes at the Rapture; what then for this world? Do NOT be deceived today! Almighty God cries out to ALL Americans today, Repent and be saved for the Kingdom of Heaven is truly at hand (Acts 4:12, 16:29-31, 17:29-31, 1 Tim. 2:3-6)!
It will be just after the Rapture of the Body of Christ (i.e., the Church), that the "Day of the Lord" (the Seven Year Tribulation period) will commence with the opening of the "first seal" by the Lamb of Almighty God and the riding of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse will begin; and WOE! WOE! WOW! to the inhabitants of the earth in that day (Rev. 6)!
There is absolutely nothing at present that can hinder this final lawless consumption of global 666.
Almighty God’s Day of wrath is truly at hand (Rev 6-19)! An objective evaluation of the global climate and conditions of our hour truly testifies to this very sobering reality. One must ask himself, “Will I hold on to my delusional subjective earthly perception or will I let go of my subjective establish perspective and have FAITH in Almighty God and His Word?” To comprehend this day and hour one MUST absolutely possess an objective Heavenly and ETERNAL perception of our day and sees the realities of it through a biblical lens. My friend unless you are regenerated by faith in Jesus Christ (born again) as Jesus stated, you can NOT see, yet comprehend the Kingdom of God, let alone the coming Kingdom of Heaven and hour in which they live in. You will remain imprisoned in the delusional fantasy of make-believe and changed in your darkened mind (2 Thess. 2:9-12).
As the great American experiment is coming to a horrific conclusion what hope is there for any American in this present evil world?
As the great American experiment is coming to a horrific conclusion, what hope is there for any American in this present evil world? As our Founding Fathers warned us of what would be when immorality and godlessness reign. May the American people look objectivity outside of this world’s limited confines to a place of absolute security and assurance, that place is none other than the heavenly throne room of Almighty God (Rev. 4, 5). Access is ONLY granted by a saving relationship to Almighty God through His Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:16-17, Gal. 1:4, Eph. 2:8-9). When one places their trust in Almighty God’s saving solution and remedy in spirit and truth (John 4:24), God will save (deliver) that one from the limited, temporal confines of this fallen world and race (Rom. 5:12-19, Gal. 1:4). (SEE CHART)
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
Amen, I do believe this with my whole heart.
I have believed since I was saved that the Rapture would occur in my lifetime. I was born in 1947, almost a year to the day before Israel was regathered.
Me too.
I hope the rapture is a real prophesy. But why would God whisk us away to Heaven when every former generation suffered?
This is what makes me say...I hope the rapture is real, but I’m not planning on it. I am therefore preparing for hell on earth and surviving the ‘end times.’
AGAIN...I hope and pray that the rapture is real...I just don’t see why we are so special that God would save us...when every former generation went through the gauntlet.
AGAIN...I hope and pray that the rapture is real...I just don’t see why we are so special that God would save us...when every former generation went through the gauntlet.
And the most serious warning in all the bible to Christians is don’t take the Mark of the Beast or you will lose your salvation. Yet pre trib rapture believers say they won’t be around for it anyway. But if they miss the rapture they still have a second chance (unlike every other human in history) at salvation. And, who needs to know anything about the Antichrist, for the same reasons.
The concept of being taken out of this world before the tribulation/plagues happen is one of the greatest lies Satan has ever perpetrated. Most people will be fooled into taking the Mark of the Beast because they won’t know what hit them. That’s what Satan’s counting on.
Panzer, get ready for the “gauntlet”, because it’s coming and we are all going through it, for better or worse.
>>> I hope the rapture is a real prophesy. But why would God whisk us away to Heaven when every former generation suffered?
Because if He does not, then Born again Christians would be subjected to the mark of the beast which God says if you take it, there is no salvation for you.
This would invalidate the doctrine of eternal security, placing God in the position of UNSEALING that which He has said is SEALED unto eternity... which is our salvation in Him.
Now.. if we want to compare fairness in the way and means in which people suffer during their death, let us also consider those who die instantly vs those who die after many days or even weeks or years of horrible suffering. We can find countless examples of where very good people suffered horribly unto death, while evil people suffered nothing relatively. I’m sure there are plenty examples of the opposite as well. Regardless, What is important and significant here is ETERNITY. NOT Temporal suffering.
God says we are NOT appointed unto wrath.
That is exactly what the tribulation period IS... God’s wrath upon the earth. If you belong to Him, you don’t have to worry about it.
It sounds like what you are saying is once saved, always saved?
The Tribulation is God's judgment on an unbelieving, Christ rejecting world.
We who are believers and saved have not done that.
IN 1 Thessalonians Paul addresses the end times a bit and points out that we are not destined for wrath.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-10 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him.
Remember that God did not bring all the plagues of Egypt on the Israelites. Initially, they did experience some, but then He made a point of differentiating between the Egyptians and His people.
Also, while troubles and tribulations (in the generic sense) are part of this world and believers have not always been exempt, this Great Tribulation is a period of unprecedented judgment by God.
However, your plans are prudent. We have no idea how bad it's going to get before we are out of here, either by rapture or by death, so we need to be prepared.
Wrong. The warning is not given to Christians But to people as a whole.
panzerkamphwageneinz, Philsworld is a SDA who thinks the mark of the beast is worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday, which the plain reading of Scripture does not support.
Don't listen to him. His theology is not Scriptural.
>>> It sounds like what you are saying is once saved, always saved?
If you believe otherwise, you simply do not understand what salvation is... Not to be insulting... there are different understandings of what salvation is.
I Say that salvation means that Jesus has created in us a NEW CREATURE... set aside... Sealed unto eternity... His possession which NOBODY can snatch from His hand. The point at which this occurs is WHEN we confess our sins and ask Him for His gift of salvation.
Other definitions of salvation do not address this new creation which makes us sons of God from that point forward for eternity. Instead they refer more to a record of rights and wrongs which is of works.
If you are going to suggest that one can lose their salvation, the question then becomes how this NEW CREATURE is then executed by God... and once executed, could it be then re-created once that is done? How many times can this “new creature in Christ” be condemned and then re-created or re-re-re-born?
It is a traditional theme of the Bible.
Hebrew slaves out of Egypt(keep in mind they suffered greatly as slaves)
Abraham and Sodom and Gomorrah
Rev 18:4
Then comes the unavailing and judgment of all nations.
Great!
Maranatha my brother!
AMEN!
Maranatha!!
Satan does not care about anyone who does not already have a personal relationship with Christ (atheist, agnostic, or whatever they may be). It’s Christians he hates most, because they believe.
Yes, at the end of the world EVERYONE will have a mark, Either the Seal of God or the Mark of the Beast. Non believers (who Satan could not care less about to begin with) get the mark in the hand. Those who are believers and know the biblical difference get it in the forehead.
It is about worship, commandment keeping, and specifically the 4th commandment, which defines the Authority of God. (the 4th commandment contains the seal of God)
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Panzer, I would say believe what you want. But, file what I’m telling you, in the back of your mind for when the the Mark of the Beast issue will decide your fate. (there has to be legislation passed first and that hasn’t happened yet)
So, a person is saved, then at some point down the road they relapse and go back to their old unrepentant ways. They are still saved?
There are many texts in the bible that clearly state that Salvation is conditional on obedience to God. Here’s just a couple of them:
1 John 2:
…3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him, but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:…
Matthew 7:
…21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…
(Please not the phrase “workers of lawlessness” it’s talking about God’s laws)
Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
>>> So, a person is saved, then at some point down the road they relapse and go back to their old unrepentant ways. They are still saved?
I would argue they never were to begin with.
The relapse as you call it is evidence they were never re-created a new creature in Christ. There is nothing in the bible which suggests that once you are saved you become without sin in your corrupted flesh. To the contrary, the bible says that the corrupted flesh we still occupy as born again believers WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom, and must die.
Now... whether that physical death of our corrupt flesh is natural or supernatural (rapture/translation) is not relevant. But... I would say there is a BIG difference between our sinning in the flesh after salvation, and demonstrating by our lifestyle that we were never changed to begin with.
>>> There are many texts in the bible that clearly state that Salvation is conditional on obedience to God. Here’s just a couple of them:
This illustrates my previous point that some interpret the bible to say we are saved by works, while others interpret God’s word to say we are saved by Grace alone.
If we are saved on condition to obedience, then we are saved by works, which is not biblical.
When the bible says however that our DIS obedience is “Evidence” we are not saved, nor ever were saved is saying something completely different.
“You will know them by their fruits” is NOT to say God knows us by our fruits. See the difference?
God knew us from the foundations of the earth.
I have, HAVE, Eternal Life as a gift from God, through His Son.
NOTHING I could ever do to earn it, nothing I can do to keep it. It is mine.
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