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Regarding Trump's Boastfulness: Excuse me Pastor John Piper, but pride doesn’t kill babies
Christian Post ^ | 10/28/2020 | Abby Johnson

Posted on 10/28/2020 7:01:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Politics is a dirty business. Mudslinging is common. It’s hard to figure out what’s true and what’s not. But one issue, another dirty business, is something that Christians in particular should know the truth about: abortion. And you know who should be pulling together to stump for a candidate who stands against the killing of our most vulnerable human beings? Our faith leaders. But instead, all we see are some of our most well-known faith leaders causing confusion and dissention.

In a recent article by John Piper, he stated that “boastfulness” is a bigger problem than abortion: “I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture-saturating, pro-self pride. When a leader models self-absorbed, self-exalting boastfulness, he models the most deadly behavior in the world.”

No one likes a braggart, but I’ve never seen boastfulness rip a baby limb from limb. Yet I have seen an abortion suction tube do just that. And I have seen a 13-week-old innocent baby fight for his life against that abortion instrument, only to die trying.

What a ridiculous comment from someone seen as a faith leader. And what a ridiculous justification to vote for a party that stands for the expansion of elective abortion through 40 weeks for any and every reason. Pathetic.

Pride doesn’t kill babies. Boastfulness doesn’t tear them apart in their mothers’ wombs. Arrogance doesn’t cause a baby to flee for their lives as sharp instruments seek to rip them limb from limb while they are still alive. No. Abortion does that and abortion alone.

We can’t legislate pride or boastfulness or arrogance. But we can legislate abortion. In fact, we can make it illegal. And that is what is on the line. Life is on the line. The innocent lives of precious babies are on the line. Not pride. Not arrogance.

Grow up. You aren’t voting for prom king. This isn’t a popularity contest.

Additionally, Phil Vischer, the creator of the “Veggie Tales”, released a video implying that a vote for pro-life policies was a wasted vote. I don’t consider Mr. Vischer a “faith leader” by any means, but I did find it quite ironic that the creator of a children’s series doesn’t find a pro-life vote worthwhile. Afterall, don’t you need children around to keep your Veggie Tales empire going? Anyway, not only was the video quite condescending to those of us who dedicate our lives to protecting the unborn, it was full of falsehoods. The video stated that the reason anyone votes pro-life is to overturn Roe v. Wade. That is a false assumption. Roe is one of many, many reasons pro-life voters vote for candidates who are don’t support abortion. The president has much power when it comes to pro-life issues.

Democrats keep touting the false line that under democratic presidencies, abortions are less because of democratic policies. This has zero to do with democratic policies and everything to do with state legislatures. During Obama’s presidency, the state of Texas passed a record-breaking number of pro-life legislation, decreasing abortion numbers across the state by 30 percent. Texas wasn’t the only one. Many states replicated these pro-life legislative efforts during his eight years in office, significantly decreasing abortion rates across the country.

Do you think politics doesn’t have a place in our religious communities? I’d wholeheartedly disagree. Unfortunately, we live in a society where sin has crept in and clouded societal judgement, just like it has throughout history, during the Holocaust and slavery. And abortion. I wish we didn’t have to legislate that killing unborn babies is wrong. I wish our society looked at growing children in the womb as Christ sees them: perfect creations with infinite dignity and worth endowed by our Creator.

Biden and Harris have already promised to work to overturn every state legislative victory that has helped to decrease the amount of abortions. That means no more ultrasound legislation, no more 20-week bans, no more bans of state funding for abortion facilities, no more waiting periods, no more parental consent for abortion, and no more care for infants born alive after failed abortions. No, this is not just about Roe. It’s about so much more.

This is why politics must be a driving force within our faith communities. Not only that, but God calls us to concern ourselves with government. Romans and 1 Peter talk specifically about our role in governmental affairs as Christians.

When people ask me about how I vote, I am not ashamed to tell them that I am a proud single issue voter. I vote on abortion. How someone cares for the most vulnerable among us tells me everything I need to know about every other issue. To me, there is nothing else as important as abortion. Nothing is as destructive. Nothing is as deadly. Nothing impacts us more. It impacts our economy, our social security, the morality of our society, our birth rate, and our overall humanity. If we are willing to violently kill the most innocent and vulnerable among us, why wouldn’t we be willing to abuse and harm others? If we are willing to dehumanize the most marginalized in our society, what makes us think that dehumanization wouldn’t spread to other marginalized groups? The elderly, ethnic minorities, the immigrant, the homeless? What we do to the least of these, we will do to all.

So please stop, Faith Leaders. Stop muddying the waters in order to justify voting for a candidate that supports killing children in the womb. Nothing else is more important. Nothing is more destructive than abortion. Nothing is killing more innocent human beings. Nothing is more dehumanization. And dare I say, I can’t imagine anything that must hurt the heart of Our Father more than the sacrifice of His creation in the womb. Stop using God to justify your immoral vote.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abbyjohnson; abortion; baalworshipper; boastfulness; christianpost; demolochparty; elections; infanticide; johnpiper; medicareforall; molochspuppet; obamacare; piperthedemoloch; satanspiouspuppet; satanspuppet; satanstool; thepiouspiper; trump
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To: SeekAndFind

This is tantamount to a pastor condemning Barney the Purple Dinosaur. It’s just a way to get attention.

When you call someone judgmental, you are being judgmental.


21 posted on 10/28/2020 7:52:30 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am reminded of a movie called “Backdraft” which I only saw once, on an airplane, many years ago. So my recollection may be fuzzy, but here is the story:

A series of horrible arson fires keeps a big-city fire station working round-the-clock. Some of the fires are devastating, and actually cause death and injury to the firefighters.

The end of the movie reveals that the fires were actually being set by a hero firefighter to protest budget cuts that would reduce the fire department.

It did not matter that the firefighter was a decorated hero, who had saved many lives. He was now doing evil.

The Old Testament Prophets addressed this phenomenon. A wicked man, who repents, is in better shape with God than a big hero who has done good all his life and then turns evil.

A fair warning to all of us. Just sayin’.


22 posted on 10/28/2020 7:55:04 AM PDT by left that other site (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. (Isaiah 7:9))
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To: ShadowAce

RE: It’s pride that causes people to think they are more important than the life of a baby.

I think she is referring to the pride of President Trump, not the pride of the aborting mother.


23 posted on 10/28/2020 7:59:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: chajin

So would you say God chose Trump, a flawed man AND God chose Piper, a flawed man? I guess both can be a true statement. (Much as I love one and can’t stand the other, in that order).


24 posted on 10/28/2020 8:20:01 AM PDT by georgiegirl (Count me Deplorable)
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To: SeekAndFind
After four years in the White House, President Trump doesn't come close to matching the malevolent narcissism of the previous occupant.

Remember the pictures on the White House Twitter feed commemorating different historical events? Nearly every time it involved inserting Barack Obama into the shot as part of the remembrance; a not-so-subtle way of elevating his status to the level of the people being celebrated.

For instance:



25 posted on 10/28/2020 8:21:28 AM PDT by Bratch (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: P-Marlowe

It’s his own fault.


26 posted on 10/28/2020 8:23:19 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Holy Spirit of God given because of faith in Jesus Christ IS discernment for the Christian.

This guy is not a Christian, he cannot discern what is evil.


27 posted on 10/28/2020 8:23:41 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: Psalm 73

Bttt


28 posted on 10/28/2020 8:24:30 AM PDT by Guenevere (**See you at the Franklin Graham Prayer March in DC on September 26!**)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a false premise that President Trump is boastful and prideful.

A President must stand on his record, and the fake news media monopoly absolutely refuses to acknowledge a single one of his many positive accomplishments. Instead they smear him and lie about him constantly.

So, since nobody else will toot his horn, he does what any sane, righteous person would do - he toots his own horn!

And for that they call him boastful?

This is just another of their many lies.
They are all bearing false witness, and they will burn in Hell for it.


29 posted on 10/28/2020 8:28:36 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: BereanBrain

“He is a full Calvinist...”

Yep.

So I guess it was destined for Piper to come up with such a ridiculous and childish comparison with abortion.


30 posted on 10/28/2020 8:32:04 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: SeekAndFind

“Piper managed to destroy his lifetime ministry in one day.”
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I believe when a person does such a turn around it’s because the opposition has found the true dirt in his/her/their life and has threatened to use it.

If looked deep enough, it would be found.... no doubt.


31 posted on 10/28/2020 8:41:36 AM PDT by Notthereyet (NotThereYet.)
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To: P-Marlowe

“The irony is that John Piper let his own prideful self righteousness destroy his life’s work. In the end he thought he was too good to Support an imperfect man. Instead he would allow an absolutely evil agenda to thrive because he’s too good to vote for the alternative.

Hypocrite.“

Well said. Exactly my feelings .


32 posted on 10/28/2020 8:45:48 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: BereanBrain
There are some hyper-Calvinists -- I've debated some on the Internet, though not on FR -- who think abortion is no big deal, because the victims are certainly not among the "elect". After all, if they were among the elect, God wouldn't have let them be aborted!

With circular reasoning like that, you can justify killing a three-year-old just as easily, or most likely anyone you don't like, simply by asserting they're not among the "elect". And IIRC, there's no exception clause to "Thou shalt not kill" saying "... unless you're sure your victim is not among the 'elect'".

33 posted on 10/28/2020 8:46:24 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: P-Marlowe
“Piper managed to destroy his lifetime ministry in one day.”

This is the best observation I’ve seen yet. Historically, he’s been a solid Pastor. This hurts his legacy tremendously. And it is ironic because he was one of the few to continue to support Mark Driscoll long after his misbehavior had been established.

34 posted on 10/28/2020 8:47:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: chajin

Amen!


35 posted on 10/28/2020 8:50:56 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: circlecity

“How to destroy your legacy in 500 words or less“ by John Piper.


36 posted on 10/28/2020 9:01:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: SeekAndFind

Self-exalting boastfulness is something you can accuse anyone of since it’s completely relative to how you view it. For myself, I haven’t seen it in Trump.


37 posted on 10/28/2020 9:21:46 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SeekAndFind

“In order that the living may know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, gives it to whomever He will, and sets over it the lowest of men.” Daniel 4:17


38 posted on 10/28/2020 9:32:47 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: georgiegirl
So would you say God chose Trump, a flawed man AND God chose Piper, a flawed man? I guess both can be a true statement. (Much as I love one and can’t stand the other, in that order).

I hadn't thought of that, but it would be true.

Remember that Peter went off the rails and Paul had to take him aside and remind him that God wanted Gentiles in His kingdom too, just as someone needs to take Piper aside and remind him that God wants Trump and Trumpsters in His kingdom too.

39 posted on 10/28/2020 9:58:51 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Notthereyet
I believe when a person does such a turn around it’s because the opposition has found the true dirt in his/her/their life and has threatened to use it.

That is really insightful. I agree with you. It also explains Chief Justice Roberts and other turncoats.
40 posted on 10/28/2020 10:19:55 AM PDT by left that other site (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. (Isaiah 7:9))
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