Delusions of Evolution

FreeRepublic ^ | 10/25/20 | Chuck Ness

[Faith Presses On]

- Ultimately we have to trust God rather than “the evidence” alone. He’s tampered with it, and told us so. It’s like a crime scene that has been contaminated. The “natural” has been hopelessly (in a scientific sense) mixed with the supernatural.

- God tells us He’s tampered with “the evidence” through making His existence as Creator and God evident in His Creation (Romans 1) — that is, deep-down, everyone knows there’s a God and the essentials about Him.

- And He’s also given us more details through His Word, though, of course, if deny what He’s made evident in Creation, you’ll likely also reject His Word as evidence.

- When God created, He also created time for us, knowing exactly what time frames would suit us, according to His purposes.

- And He created “old” things, things somewhere in the “middle” of their existence, so that on their first days of existence, Adam and Eve had apparently, and in a physical sense, already existed for years, while our sun was created billions of years old.

[central_va]

Evolution explains how through natural section specific species changed(evolved) over time. It doesn’t explain how these species were created.

[backwoods-engineer]

I believe in Jesus Christ. I don't believe in evolution.

That being said, it is settled fact that the earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old. The God I believe in is powerful and wise enough to progressively create in each age.

Also, Russell Humphreys has been shown to be a FRAUD. His book "Starlight and Time" is NONSENSE. I have Guillermo Gonzales' book, and he's onto something.

[backwoods-engineer]

As stated above, I’m also an old-earth creationist.

[backwoods-engineer]

He made the Heavens and the Earth in six, literal and consecutive Earth-time days

It's so sad that so many Christians are willing to believe something that makes God a liar.

[backwoods-engineer]

- And He created “old” things, things somewhere in the “middle” of their existence, so that on their first days of existence, Adam and Eve had apparently, and in a physical sense, already existed for years, while our sun was created billions of years old.

So sad that Christians are willing to believe something that makes God a liar. The sun was created billions of years old? Then why isn't all of history a fraud? Why aren't all of our memories, right up to my typing this post, a fraud? You make God to be a liar with thinking like this.

[OneVike]

Amen

[OneVike]

So I’m guessing that you don’t believe Christ made great wine out of water in no time at all

Either God can do what the ascriptires says HE did, or HE is a liar

And that my friend is to blasphemy the name of GaoD because you are calling HIM liar .

God can and will destroy in a seconds every things HE created, when the end times end

I have a GOD that is pretty powerful with the ability to do anything in any amount of time HE so chooses to do.

If you claim to be a Christian, you have a very small God who cannot die for your sins, because if HE could not creat in 6 days then HE does not have the power to save you from your sins

[Tell It Right]

Does that include the plain text of the Bible when it says in Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4 that the creation "days" are of the old earth variety? (Where the Hebrew word "yom" in Genesis 1 for "day" has three meanings -- one of which is an era of unspecified length.)

Or does that plain text include days 1 through 3 being before the sun and moon were created? Obviously the plain text in Genesis 1 is referring to days as we're not accustomed to thinking (sun rising and falling as the Earth rotates).

I mean no disrespect to fellow Christians who believe in a young earth. I'm just asking young earthers like yourself to quit stating young earth beliefs as though it's a prerequisite to being a Christian.

[Tell It Right]

Hi, fellow code jockey.

I, too, find our re-use of program libraries similar to what we see in the archaeological record.

If I may extend the analogy, you know how every now and then you do a completely new version that requires a lot of code changes? There might still be some holdover code from a decade ago, but at the same time moving from version 1.3 to 2.0 often has a lot more changes than when you moved from version 1.2 to 1.3.

That's what I see with all of these large gaps in the fossil record, including when some "transition species" appear in the record in the wrong order. Evidently God is both very patient and is the same Creator a few thousand years ago that He was a few billion years ago. But at the same time it looks like He every now and then does seemingly miraculous work in making a species or phyla jump in the tree of life (as biologists describe it, not the garden of Eden tree of life). There's enough of that where it's hard for me to accept God's hand in creation from a deist perspective -- the belief that God set up His creation with all the mechanism to produce speciation and then just sat back and watch His work create itself.

The fossil record seems to show God's hand appearing every now and then over billions of years that span creation days 5 and 6.

[backwoods-engineer]

Salacious accusations, which you know are false. Christ turning water into wine was different, AND YOU KNOW IT. Everyone associated with the miracle— as stated in scripture— KNEW the water was turned into wine instantly. The world was NOT made instantly— it was made in 7 of God’s “days” — whatever the Hebrew word ‘yom’ means in that context, which you don’t know. But the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is that the universe is old. God does not lie.

[OneVike]

It’s the same Hebrew word used in Exodus when Moses was given the Ten Comanmehts abs said keep the sabath holy because God rested after 6 a rested on the7th the surf used fir day is the exact sane used in Genesis fir creation.

The Hebrew used in Genesis and in Exodus both mean 24 hour day. Not an era

[Faith Presses On]

That’s ridiculous. You’re calling God a liar. You refuse to accept His Word, over and over again.

What do you think, that God’s main purpose for creating the universe was for a miniscule part of the human population to study the natural laws He gave it?

[OneVike]

He did so in 6 days not billions

And you know fir what I was speaking of

He made wine instantly not over Months

He did with water and no grapes

He turned water to wine

God turned dirt into man

He turned nothing into something

No evolution

Not time past that which is stated

To claim God used evolution or destruction to make the earth is the lie

Sin entered the world after Adam and Eve sinner and then death entered not before

Gid did it use destruction nor decay as millions of years would need

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

The problem when insisting on a single interpretation of scripture about the real world when others are explicitly possible is that you have the sun going around the earth long after that position is no longer tenable and it brings scripture unnecessarily into disrepute.

It is enough to say that every living thing brings forth after its kind, as stated in Genesis, and that is what an unbiased (in favor of naturalism) analysis of the fossil record shows.

[American in Israel]

No, its not a prerequisite to being a Christian. Nor is thinking a day is 500,000 years times 365 days.

But it might be a prerequsite to being correct.

I tend to think God knew the meanings of the word when he used it, and as Hebrew has everything to do with context, I will take the meaning of the word as day, for indeterminate period of time is kinda out of context of six days.

Or was that 3 random indeterminate periods of time and three days in Genisis...

Don’t be a idiot.

[Agamemnon]

The problem when insisting on a single interpretation of scripture about the real world when others are explicitly possible is that you have the sun going around the earth long after that position is no longer tenable and it brings scripture unnecessarily into disrepute.

You should change your screen name to "straw man." If you don't like that one maybe try, "red-herring" on for size. Deflection in any case is not a cogent argument.

What brings Scripture into unnecessary disrepute is when those who claim to be Christians twist the Scripture to say things it clearly does not simply to suit their own purposes.

The biblical account of the history of creation in Genesis 1 intersects with the perfect Law of God as delivered in Exodus 20.

So then tell us: is it "explicitly possible" in your theology to defy the Law of God?

FReegards!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Your interpretation of scripture is just demonstrably wrong at a fundamental level.

Unlike Galileo’s judges, you should take an “out” when offered. The elucidation in the verses I mentioned is quite up to modern science.

[American in Israel]

From a Christian perspective that is a very interesting question. I see doctrinal arguments in denominations that state we (Christians) are free from the Law, and that returning to the law crucifies Christ anew. This breeds a contempt for the law that belies Christs statement that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

And yet I love the Law, and experience the blessing of God as he states that He loves those who love His law.

That is a dichotomy that I settle in my heart by observing that as I love Christ, I am not bound by the law, yet living for Him I just naturally fulfill it.

Hope that counts... grin

[American in Israel]

It is true that time is not fixed constant to a being that exists dimensionally above the 5th dimension, however that does not place time as a variable to a being that exists in the 4th dimension.

And hence your math mistake. You cannot place yourself in the perspective of God in omnipresence to judge your personal perspective in time.

Its like trying to describe a pyramid from a 2 dimensional perspective. Most call it a square or a oblique parallelogram, and a very rare kook calls it a triangle.

But from a dimension above it is all of the above, and, its a pyramid.

Hope that makes sense.if it doesn’t its my fault. And if it does, you are a lot smarter than me.

I could never have figured it out from that explanation, it took an entire textbook for me.