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Pope Francis Calls for Civil Union Law for Same-Sex Couples, in Shift From Vatican Stance
National Catholic Register ^ | 10-21-2020 | CNA

Posted on 10/21/2020 9:02:41 AM PDT by NRx

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To: redgolum

Any time any institution is FORCED to accept homosexuality it turns out bad.

20 years ago they forced the Boy Scouts to accept gays.

Now look where they are- facing bankruptcy and numerous lawsuits for child molestation.

And the boy scouts organization did not molest anyone, the gays they were forced to accept into the organization did.


41 posted on 10/22/2020 4:37:03 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: Cronos

Keep close to the follow-up on this. (per EWTN radio this morning)

Seems the Pope DID NOT “endorse civil unions”.

A Spanish translation shows he was calling for family’s to not shun or expel gay children from their household. That they have a right to remain a part of the family.

Known homosexual clergy were all too eager to mischaracterize the Pope’s statements to their advantage.


42 posted on 10/22/2020 6:54:55 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: G Larry
Exactly - Francis needs to watch his mouth, or better yet, resign.

He said "Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They're children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it," the Pope said in the film, the Catholic News Agency reported.

"What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered," the Pope said.

A Spanish translation shows he was calling for family’s to not shun or expel gay children from their household. That they have a right to remain a part of the family.

43 posted on 10/22/2020 7:06:50 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

We need another Polish Pope.


44 posted on 10/22/2020 7:08:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: redgolum; lightman
Redgolum - with due respect to you, let's focus on the stupid statement that was Pope Francis' opinion

- Francis needs to watch his mouth, or better yet, resign.

He said "Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They're children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it," the Pope said in the film, the Catholic News Agency reported.

"What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered," the Pope said.

A Spanish translation shows he was calling for family’s to not shun or expel gay children from their household. That they have a right to remain a part of the family.

He is

  1. Expressing his opinion, not a Church teaching
  2. expressing it about civil unions, a government exercise not marriage

Now, I fully agree with you that he's a dumbass who should leave, but on this matter, he did not say what people are accusing him of saying, leave alone what you, redgolum said that the Church itself made a statement

45 posted on 10/22/2020 7:09:23 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: redgolum; lightman
Next, to your particular situation - the local bishop needs to read this bit of news correctly -- "Rome" hasn't spoken. It was an opinion by Pope Francis and not a rule, not even a recommendation.

I agree with you that people "assume it" but that doesn't make it an actual statement

You and the other people in the district need to go and tell the Bishop THAT -- even more so, it wasn't even a press release!

46 posted on 10/22/2020 7:11:38 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: redgolum; lightman
And to put it in perspective - if the head of your LCMA or WELS groups said this goofy, idiotic off-the-cuff remark, I guess you would leave it. I see it differently - I see Pope Francis as just the current holder of the office and one who will be gone as the overseer. At the same time I see that there is a High Priest who is there at the mass. It's similar to the state at our local parish - our parish priest is a urządnik - he does the minimum necessary. He's not a bad guy, just lazy. However the more important person is the person I meet in the True Presence in the Eucharist
47 posted on 10/22/2020 7:18:53 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
ok, now this off-the-cuff, non-dogmatic statement about civil unions (not about marriage) is wrong, but let's put it in perspective.

Forget trying to separate the church from the state. What we have here is a Catholic pope making a public call for the universal legal protection of sodomy, one of the four sins that cry out to Heaven, and sodomites. Whether it's an ex cathedra statement or not, it's a scandal and a heresy.

There is little difference between this than Bergoglio calling for the legal protection of abortion, another sin that cries out to Heaven, and abortion.

48 posted on 10/22/2020 7:59:31 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: G Larry; Cronos
Don't let the "lost and in the translation" excuse and EWTN fool y'all. The apostate pope was talking about the legal, universal recognition of homosexual unions. He's talking about adults, guys, not kids. He was not talking about six-year old Susy Smith hooking up with her best "les be friends", Jane Doe, under her parents roof.

He is condoning the legal rights of adult, practicing homosexuals raising children; i.e. child abuse.

And it's getting tiresome hearing it's just the man's personal opinion. When he, in the office of the Pope, states in a public documentary that is to be distributed worldwide, his call for the the legalization of sodomite unions, it is no longer a personal "private" opinion.

P.S. It was his "private opinion" that the death penalty is now suddenly a grievous sin, yet he's enshrining that opinion in the Catholic Catechism.

What we have is an apostate dictator pope.

49 posted on 10/22/2020 12:32:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Cronos

You are working very hard to convince yourself.


50 posted on 10/22/2020 6:38:42 PM PDT by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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To: Honorary Serb

Twice dead. Blind leading blind.
Anti pope.


51 posted on 10/22/2020 6:41:07 PM PDT by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: redgolum

not really.

As I said, this is an off-the-cuff remark by Pope Francis about government civil unions. This is something he should have NOT done, yet this is not about marriage in any way.

This is clearly not “The RCC has spoken” or “Rome has spoken” - nothing of that sort has happened.


52 posted on 10/22/2020 11:45:59 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: ebb tide; G Larry
The Pope gave an off-the-cuff remark. Did you read it?

This morning’s screaming headlines come from a statement made by Pope Francis in the course of a long interview where the Pope discussed, as one reporter noted, “the environment, poverty, migration, racial and income inequality, and the people most affected by discrimination.” Within that interview, he made this statement:

Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God. What we have to have is a ccivil cohabitating ("convivencia civil") laws; that way they are legally covered.

This has nothing to do with marriage

Pope Francis — like Popes Benedict XVI and John Paul II — has condemned same-sex marriage during his tenure, and he has not retreated from that position.

On a number of occasions, Francis has warned against threats to the institution of marriage and described marriage as “between a man and a woman.” Accepting gay family members or accommodating same-sex partnerships in civil law, he said, “does not mean approving of homosexual acts.”

you are right that even condoning the legal rights is bad - yet, look at this -- the leftists are arguing that the reason for gay marriage is due to "legal benefits" that marriage undoubtedly gives

By saying "the government does civil unions and Marriage is the sole prerogative of the church - and that is between man and woman alone" , that eliminates the leftist argument

53 posted on 10/22/2020 11:56:26 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: ebb tide
There is little difference between this than Bergoglio calling for the legal protection of abortion, another sin that cries out to Heaven, and abortion.

There is a big difference - legal abortion is abhorrent even in non-religious terms as it is the killing of innocents.

54 posted on 10/22/2020 11:57:27 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: MurphsLaw

Nothing changes in the Catholic Church. I pray for the day to come soon that this fraud of a “pope” is history. The church has lost millions of members because of the Catholic-hating Marxist from South America.


55 posted on 10/23/2020 5:45:25 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Cronos
They're both mortal sins, Cronos; either one will put a soul in Hell. I really don't see how you can downplay this scandal of calling for legal recognition and protection of sodomite unions, which are also abhorrent in non-religious terms.

As far your false claim that Bergoglio is not if favor of homos raising children; maybe this will open your eyes:

"You Are Welcome": Francis Makes Phone Call to Homosexual With Three Surrogacy Children


56 posted on 10/23/2020 4:29:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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