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To: pastorbillrandles

There is no “original sin” in Judaism, and Jews are not in fear of “being saved”. Also, one is responsible for one’s own sins. The idea of a corporeal god-son taking sin and self sacrificing is, as I understand, totally alien and contrary to God in Judaism.

(And if Jesus was the son of God, but also God, how could he be killed unless he chose that ending for himself? For isn’t God all powerful and all knowing? )


12 posted on 10/15/2020 6:38:45 PM PDT by captain_dave
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To: captain_dave

How could a god be “all-knowing”/perfect without being self-aware/possess cognizant apitude? God made humans above the animals after all (Let US make man...) and also judges them. I thought Torah worshipers prided themselves on intellectualism. Is your god confined to physics/time/space and is ignorant on a most precious creation that “it”, by default mind and all rationality mind you, judges unrighteously?


14 posted on 10/15/2020 6:54:08 PM PDT by rollo tomasi
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To: captain_dave
Of whom was the prophet Zechariah speaking when he foretold:

    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)

23 posted on 10/15/2020 8:03:26 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: captain_dave; pastorbillrandles; aMorePerfectUnion
Judaism in the Torah doesn't have an explicit afterlife -- belief in an afterlife isn’t universal in Judaism, either. There are verses in the Tanakh that seem to hint at something, but they aren’t clear at all.

The more common "Jewish" or rather belief is that a soul goes through Purgatory for up to a year, although the time could be as little as five minutes ( or not at all, in the cases of very righteous individuals). While there, the soil “burns” with shame at the reality of his/her life, seeing all the consequences of every action (or inaction), word, thought, missed opportunity, etc.

The idea of a corporeal god-son taking sin and self sacrificing is, as I understand, totally alien and contrary to God in Judaism. -- not really, the first Christians were all Jews. In fact really until 70 AD Christianity was a Jewish sect

The idea of a corporeal God-son is there in the Tanakh (Daniels "like a son of god" for instance) and taking sin - a sacrificial lamb, and self-sacrificing - Samson among others

Don't mix up Pharisee-Judaism with overall 2nd temple Judaism

34 posted on 10/16/2020 2:38:03 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: captain_dave; pastorbillrandles; aMorePerfectUnion

Net net, Jesus did chose that ending. The sin against the perfect one requires the perfect sacrifice.


35 posted on 10/16/2020 2:38:55 AM PDT by Cronos
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