Bishop Schneider: ‘Today the Church of Rome Finds Herself in......Spiritual Collapse’

LifeSite News ^ | 10/14/20 | John-Henry Westen

[Cronos]

You’re right....according to the flawed men that wrote the New Testament. -- and on what basis do you say that the men who were inspired by God to write the books of the New Testament were flawed while the men who were inspired to write the books of the Old Testament were not?

If Jesus is G-d (G-d forbid,) try G-d. -- of course Jesus is God. He's either God or as you Noahides say, a charlatan now being tortured in Jewish hell in boiling excrement (that's in the Talmud by the by). Now which of those do you, Phinneous, believe?

[Cronos]

Frankie, the man, isn't infallible. Neither was/is Pope Benedict or JP2 or any other Pope. The principle of papal infallibility as espoused by the church is that the the office is infallible when breaking a deadlock on dogmatic issues. Namely the deciding vote. No more, no less

Then you say are your traditions fallible - of course a Catholic will say they are God's traditions -- just as you say that your Oral Torah (which the High Priests during Jesus' time rejected) is infallible - and if you say "go OLD" - then why don't you take up the Gathas and apply those? Or the Rig Veda? They're as innovative as the Talmudic principles

[Cronos]

Jesus is God according to
1. The book of Daniel which talks of the end of the age in the 1st century AD (70 “sevens”) and where Daniel saw that the anointed one would come and that Jerusalem and the temple would be destroyed, ending sacrifices once and for all

2. The book of Micah and Zakaraiah who prophesied that the Messiah would come

The books of the “old testament” are replete with details about the Messiah, and Jesus fulfilled them.

That is why large numbers (may be even most) Jews of the 2nd temple period became part of the Jesus-movement-Jewish sect and rejected the Pharisees and their Law.

After the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, Jesus was vindicated - He promised in the Olivet discourse and later to the Sanhedrin that THAT generation would see the destruction, the abomination and would see Him coming on the clouds to the Ancient of Days.

The temple was destroyed, but the Pharisee-Jews reinvented their sect into one that wished away the sacrifices in the temple — read about Rabbi Ben Zakkai who reinvented Pharisee-ism.

And to compound it, in AD 70 at the Council of Jamnia, they created their religion, the Pharisee-Judaism, eschewing the sacrifices etc. and editing out books of the Hebrew canon that were used by the Jesus-movement sect.

[Cronos]

We "know" this because the "new testament" says so and "everyone knows" the "new testament" is part of the Bible because that's the Bible we inherited from our ethno-cultural group.

And Pharisee-Jews "know" this as it is from their ethno-cultural group, right?

And Samaritans "know" that the Jews are wrong to add to the Torah because they inherited their Bible from their ethno-cultural group, right?

Your argument is specious at best - on what basis do Jews Add on the Prophets to the Torah? The Samaritans say that is a false bible.

[Cronos]

ZC is a Noahide, not a Pharisee-Jew. He may have been a Jesus-movement-Jew (i.e. Christian) earlier.

Anyway, the Jewish canon was edited and closed in AD 70 — and they tossed out the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical books because those books were used by the Jesus-movement as justification for their claims.

the Deuterocanonicals in particular came under their ire as it drew and was drawing the vast bulk of 2nd temple Jews to the Jesus-movement-sect and away from the Pharisee-sect.

[Phinneous]

Thats easy. For your B to be true, our A must perforce be true. For A (the Hebrew Bible) to be true requires no veracity from the NT.

[Cronos]

you answered post #41 of mine of course Jesus is God. He's either God or as you Noahides say, a charlatan now being tortured in Jewish hell in boiling excrement (that's in the Talmud by the by). Now which of those do you, Phinneous, believe?

And you didn't answer that

[Cronos]

Since you hold the new Testament books to not be, in your opinion, true, let’s ask you on what stand-alone basis do you hold that the book of Numbers is true?

[Phinneous]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020%3A2-17&version=NIV

and

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%204%3A32-35&version=NIV

And a bonus, a real proof-text:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013%3A1-5&version=NIV