[Philsworld]

Whore of Babylon, Antichrist, Man of Sin, Little Horn: Here’s what the bible says:

It will rise to be a great power after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire (after 476 AD)
It would uproot three of the ten kingdoms the Roman Empire collapsed into
It will be a geographically small nation (a little horn)
It will rule over many people, nations and tongues (it will be universal)
It will be headquartered in the city of seven hills, Rome
It will be a religio-political entity - a political city-state ruled by a priest-king
Its priest-king will make great and blasphemous claims
It will claim authority over all kings
It will claim its power to change the holy times and laws of God as its mark of authority
It will be an apostate Church that makes the nations drink her cup of apostate doctrine
It will be a “mother” Church, with apostate daughters coming from her
It will be a persecuting power, killing the faithful saints of Jesus Christ as heretics
It will hold power and authority for 1260 years following the fall of pagan Rome
It will suffer a deadly wound that will end 1260 years of dominance and persecution
It will be revived after the deadly wound, and all the world would wonder at its revival

All these guys who got a chance to finally read a bible figured it out real quick, and many of them were tortured and murdered because they wouldn’t keep quiet with the truth.

http://www.redeemerfw.org/resources/reformers_antichrist.pdf

[Cronos]

after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire (after 476 AD) - Man, you have a lot of historical errors bottled in one place

1. Rome was no longer page in 476 AD. As of 378 AD Christianity was the state religion
2. The Roman empire didn't fall in 476 AD -- it fell in 1453 AD

three of the ten kingdoms the Roman Empire collapsed into -- Again, man the number of errors here is incredible - both historical and biblical - historically the Roman Empire collapsed in 1453, it didn't collapse into kingdoms, but was conquered wholly by the Ottoman empire. Or perhaps you mean the Western half of the empire - and err. no, it didn't collapse into 10 kingdoms. here's the state of the erstwhile roman lands in 500 AD

You see ten kingdoms here???

and biblically - read Dan 7 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and Dan 7:24 "He shall be different from the former ones and shall put down three kings" --> what is the HEBREW word used here for kings? It is "melek" - which translates as ROYAL, not necessarily king

This fits Nero who murdered Claudius, Agrippina and Britannicus.

[Cronos]

And the rest of your post is equally historically and biblically wrong. Don’t adventists learn the bible or history? or did Ellen G White tell you not to?

[Cronos]

And the rest of your post is equally historically and biblically wrong. Don't adventists learn the bible or history? or did Ellen G White tell you not to?

It will hold power and authority for 1260 years following the fall of pagan Rome -- firstly, the 1260 is of DAYS, as is apparent in the rest of daniel that interchanges that with 3.5 years or 42 months (1260 days)

Secondly, pagan Rome didn't fall -- Christian Rome fell in 1453. So you mean some place will rule until 2713?

Or you mean when pagan Rome was taken over by Christian Rome in 378 AD? So until 1638?

Man, you Adventists keep getting too much Ellen G White

[Cronos]

Admit it - you Adventists revere your founding prophetess, Ellen G. White, and made this statement in their "Ministry" Magazine of Oct. 1981 and have never retracted it:

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

They won't tell you too much about Ellen G. White at their public seminars, but their goal is to bring the person attending to the point of conversion and baptism.

p>Their 2000 baptismal certificate poses questions to which the candidate must answer "yes". Question 8 says,

"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church".

If the candidate says "yes" and is baptised, they soon learn that the "gift of prophecy" is Ellen G. White's writings. Point 13 has them accepting that the SDA Church is the remnant church of Bible Prophecy. They have been baptized into an exclusive group, but they don't know how exclusive it is, yet!

No doubt they will be urged to avail themselves of a "Clear Word Bible". This publication of theirs has inserted the words and doctrines of Ellen G. White right into the Bible text, insuring that the person studying it will have the mind of Ellen G. White.

Ellen G. White wrote in Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel".

Adventists, you can't have it both ways! Either Jesus Christ is God, or He is some kind of an Angel. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to try to cover up embarrassing statements by Ellen G. White. They won't tell you she was wrong - when its "her or the Bible", she always wins!