What God Said Will Happen

RR ^ | 9/27/20 | Daymond Duck

[Philsworld]

Conclusion

The Vatican (STATO DELLA CITTÁ DEL VATICANO), which means City-State of prophecy, is the woman of Revelation 17, Jezebel, the apostate harlot, the mother universal church, the persecutor of the saints that sits on seven hills in Rome and claims authority over the kings of the earth.

Your church, as the corrector of heretics, tortured and murdered (persecuted) hundreds of millions of "saints". And, that's prophecy fulfilled and points directly to the Catholic Church, whether you want to admit it or not.

[Philsworld]

If you have a problem with what your church claims, take it up with them. I didn’t say it, they did.

http://aloha.net/~mikesch/claims.htm

[Cronos]

Phil - your biblical knowledge is as poor as your historical knowledge.

in 476 AD what happened in the city of Rome? Julius Nepo was still the de jure Augustus of the Western Empire, there was Odoacer the Gothic consul who was heavily Latinized as the other Goths. He paid nominal allegiance to Nepos (now in Dalmatia) while effectively operating autonomously, having been raised to the rank of patrician by Zeno. Odoacer retained the Roman administrative system, cooperated actively with the Roman Senate, and his rule was efficient and successful.

Odoacer's successor Theodoric kept the Augustus in Constantinople as his nominal suzereign.

The Roman Empire in the West never "fell" - it was occupied by the Romanized Germans as de jure rulers who acknowledged the Augustus in Constantinople as their ruler

This continued until 800 AD when Charlemagne was crowned as Western Roman Emperor. This set off a power struggle between East and West that wasn't satisfied until the Ottonian empire in the 900s that reverted to being a Germanic empire (though retaining the nomenclature of HRE, the true Roman emperor didn't care)

the Roman Empire fell apart in 1453, not before

[Cronos]

As the Papacy came to prominence, it influenced Pagan Roman armies to destroy three of the tribes which opposed its Christian doctrines. These three were the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last of these was destroyed in AD 538 when Justinian’s decree went into effect.

Phil - your historical knowledge is as poor as your biblical knowledge

Firstly, the Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli invaded the CHRISTIAN Roman Empire, not the pagan Roman Empire

Secondly, the Heruli - sheesh -- he Heruli were one of the peoples dominated by the empire of Attila the Hun. By 454, after the death of Attila, they established their own kingdom on the Middle Danube, and Heruli also participated in successive conquests of Italy by Odoacer, Theoderic the Great, Narses and probably also the Lombards. Their independent kingdom was however destroyed by the Lombards in the early 6th century AD.

Ostrogoths -- really? Have you even read "the Gothic wars"? The Papacy opposed the Roman attempt to conquer back italy as this was a bloody war that depopulated the peninsula

Next, the Papacy came into prominence back in the 1st century when Clement of Rome was noted

Furthermore, you don't seem to have any clue about who Charlemagne was?

Read the Bible and read some history

[Cronos]

during the dark ages... More than 50 million Protestant Christians tortured and killed by the Catholic Church.

The population of Europe in 1492 was 70 million.

your 50 million is, idiotic

The Spanish inquisition executed 3000 people - far less than the Catholics executed by the Anglicans, far less than the Calvinists murdering Catholics and Anabaptists, far less than Luther's killing of Anabaptists and Catholics.

You really need to see how hilarious wrong you are, biblically and historically

[Cronos]

The anti-Christ vision fits Nero perfectly.

The little horn "had a mouth that spoke great things" and "shall speak words against the Most high" (7:20, 25).

NERO blasphemed against God by aggressively enforcing emperor worship - down to getting the Sanhedrin to authorise Emperor worship in the temple grounds itself.

Even the uprooting of 3 other royalty is Nero uprooting AGrippina, Claudius and Britannicus

Daniel's vision even accurately predicts the death of Nero - His dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed tot he end - 7:26 --> Nero's death ended the Julio-Claudian dynasty

We are even told the LENGTH of time during which the little horn will age war against "the law" -- read Dan 7:25 25 And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time. -- for a time (1) and times (2) and half a time (0.5) = 3.5 years. This is the 500 BC ancient way of saying 3.5 years.

The 3.5 years coincides precisely with the events in the first century -- the Jewish-Roman war lasted from February 67 AD to August 70 AD == 3.5 years or 42 months or 1260 days

[Philsworld]

When Did Rome Fall? Romulus Augustulus resigns the Roman crown to Odoacer 19th-century illustration of Romulus Augustulus resigning the Roman crown to Odoacer; from an unknown source. Public Domain/Wikimedia In his masterwork, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, historian Edward Gibbon selected 476 CE, a date most often mentioned by historians.1 That date was when Odoacer, the Germanic king of the Torcilingi, deposed Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor to rule the western part of the Roman Empire. The eastern half became the Byzantine Empire, with its capital at Constantinople (modern Istanbul).

Cronos, We are talking about Western Rome

The Little Horn (Antichrist) come out of Western Rome

Uprooted three of the ten horns (v.8) - As the Papacy came to prominence, it influenced Pagan Roman armies to destroy three of the tribes which opposed its Christian doctrines. These three were the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last of these was destroyed in AD 538 when Justinian’s decree went into effect.

By following the course of history we discover that the exact fulfillment did come in the year 476 A.D. Fierce tribes came sweeping down from the north country, and overwhelmed the territory of Western Europe, dividing it finally into ten parts. Those parts, of course, correspond to the ten toes of the great image of Daniel 2. All students of history are well acquainted with the names of those tribal conquerors of Western Europe in 476 A.D. They were the Anglo-Saxons, Alemanni, Heruli, Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Suevi, Lombards, Burgundians and Franks. Seven of those tribes are still in existence to this very day, having grown into modem nations. They survive on the map of Europe as significant twentieth century powers. Three of them disappeared from the stage of history.

[delchiante]

A world that sets its work and false worship to a Roman calendar, named after a Pope,is still being ruled by the Roman empire.

[Cronos]

As well as being historically wrong, you are biblically wrong

Dan 7 After this, in the visions of the night I saw a fourth beast, terrifying, horrible, and of extraordinary strength; it had great iron teeth with which it devoured and crushed, and it trampled with its feet what was left. It differed from the beasts that preceded it. It had ten horns. 8 I was considering the ten horns it had, when suddenly another, a little horn, sprang out of their midst, and three of the previous horns were torn away to make room for it. This horn had eyes like human eyes, and a mouth that spoke arrogantly.

Firstly - this is about the fourth kingdom - the Roman Empire.

SEcondly, you missed verses 24 onwards The ten horns shall be ten kings rising out of that kingdom; another shall rise up after them, Different from those before him, who shall lay low three kings. 25 He shall speak against the Most High and wear down the holy ones of the Most High, intending to change the feast days and the law.[j] They shall be handed over to him for a time, two times, and half a time. 26 But when the court is convened, and his dominion is taken away to be abolished and completely destroyed,

ten KINGS - individuals

And the Hebrew word is melek - royalty, not kings

This is also tied in to His speaking against he Most High BUT

verse 27 Then the kingship and dominion and majesty of all the kingdoms under the heavens shall be given to the people of the holy ones of the Most High, Whose kingship shall be an everlasting kingship, whom all dominions shall serve and obey.”

The Messiah wins even after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

And what is the New Jerusalem that the Messiah inaugurates? It is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

[Philsworld]

The population of Europe in 1492 was 70 million.

your 50 million is, idiotic

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No, it’s not. Remember, it’s over 1260 years of torturing and murdering.

http://webwitness.org.au/estimates.html

[Cronos]

Remember, it’s over 1260 years of torturing and murdering.

Now that's even more idiotic

Firstly, the 1260 is clearly in the Bible as days -- have you ever read the bible?

[Cronos]

Secondly, 50 million? There weren't even 50 thousand executed. Have you heard of the Catholics murdered by Cromwell etc.? Even on either side

Your historical knowledge is as lacking as your biblical knowledge

“The best estimate is that around 3,000 death sentences were carried out in Spain by Inquisitorial verdict between 1550 and 1800, a far smaller number than that in comparable secular courts,” Dr. Peters writes on page 87 of his book, Inquisition (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1989)

Dr. Kamen writes: “Taking into account all the tribunals of Spain up to about 1530, it is unlikely that more than two thousand people were executed for heresy by the Inquisition (p. 60) The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1998)

You, Phil, have Zero historical evidence for your statements and zero biblical evidence for your statements -- next you'll be saying that your group, the Adventists have killed 50 million Christians and that your group, the Adventists don't believe that Jesus is archangel Michael, a created being

[Cronos]

A world that sets its work and false worship to a Roman calendar, named after a Pope,is still being ruled by the Roman empire.

So, you want to use the Hindu calendar or the Islamic one then?

Let's see -- you use the concept of 365 days, that's a Sumerian concept - are you being ruled by Sargon of Akkad's Akkadian empire????

Or let's see - wooah, you use Hindu numerals - 1,2, 3, etc -- are you being ruled by the Mauryan empire?

[Cronos]

Phil -- "We are talking about Western Rome"

Firstly - "Western Rome" -- you mean west of the Tiber?

Btw, the Vatican is outside the borders of the ancient city of Rome.

[Cronos]

Edward Gibbon’s works have been discarded - he wrote the “fall of Rome” when nothing of that sort happened.

The senate continued right up until the Gothic wars

Furthermore, when Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustulus what did he do? He held the Roman Emperor Zeno as his sovereign

What was the border of the Roman empire in 480 AD? It was the same as in 350 AD - de jure. Odoacer and Theodoric (Odoacer’s successor) held that they were still IN the Roman Empire and the August in Constantinople was their sovereign

[Cronos]

The little horn was Nero - are you unable to read Daniel and see very clearly that the 10 are those out of the rome Empire before 70 AD?

Uprooted 3 horns — killing Claudius, Agrippina and Britannicus.

Go and read history and the Bible

[Cronos]

it influenced Pagan Roman armies to destroy three of the tribes which opposed its Christian doctrines. These three were the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last of these was destroyed in AD 538 when Justinian’s decree went into effect.

Phil - you really need to read something before writing

The Heruli were destroyed by the Lombards/Langobards - another Germanic tribe

The Vandals and Ostrogoths were defeated by the Christian Romans

You really think that Justinian was a pagan Roman Emperor? Next you'll be telling me that you Adventists weren't founded by Ellen G White

[Cronos]

in the year 476 A.D. Fierce tribes came sweeping down from the north country, and overwhelmed the territory of Western Europe, dividing it finally into ten parts.

Phillyboy - your knowledge of history is as poor as your knowledge of the bible

Firstly, you see any map with the dividing into 10 parts?

[Cronos]

in the year 476 A.D. Fierce tribes came sweeping down from the north country, and overwhelmed the territory of Western Europe, dividing it finally into ten parts.

Phillyboy - your knowledge of history is as poor as your knowledge of the bible

Firstly, you see any map with the dividing into 10 parts?

You can see at max 8 foedorati -- they weren't kingdoms.

Or do Adventists believe that foedorati are kingdoms and that 8 is actually 10?

[Cronos]

Anglo-Saxons, Alemanni, Heruli, Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Suevi, Lombards, Burgundians and Franks

hoo boy - this is pretty funny -- the Lombards desroyed the Heruli while they were still OUTSIDE the boundaries of the empire (even the de jure not de facto)

The Burgundians were conquered by the Franks (after clovis married the princess)

The Alemanni were also conquered by the Franks OUTSIDE the boundaries of the empire

Furthermore, the Anglo-Saxons conquered land OUTSIDE the empire - the island of Britain was abandoned in the early 400s.

And the Heruli were in the east

Sheesh - go and read the Bible and read history.

The anti-Christ for the 1800s could be Ellen G White and the Adventists, you say?