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Islamic (Quran) version of the nativity - read this to understand their Jesus is quite different AND why we call Mary the Mother of God
Quran ^ | 750 AD | Mad Mo or rather an 8th century writer

Posted on 09/07/2020 11:22:54 PM PDT by Cronos

19:16 And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.

19:17 And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

19:18 She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."

19:19 He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

19:20 She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"

19:21 He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "

19:22 So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.

19:23 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."

19:24 But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.

19:25 And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.

19:26 So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' "

19:27 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.

19:28 O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

19:29 So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

19:30 [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

19:31 And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

19:32 And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."

19:34 That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.

19:35 It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

19:36 [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Islam
KEYWORDS: islam; quran
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To: RoosterRedux; jmacusa
And if I am not mistaken, Jesus went to the Cross for ALL humans.

He did indeed sir. I think one of the most Godly men I have ever known, in Texas, was an Ex Muslim from Iran. What a pillar of faith he was.

21 posted on 09/08/2020 5:14:55 AM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: jmacusa

The Koran was written to justify invasion and looting of neighboring countries. Don’t take offense. It’s garbage.


22 posted on 09/08/2020 5:49:16 AM PDT by View from the Cheap Seats
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To: Cronos

The tale is written to put many things about Mary, what she does, where she goes, what she says, and what G-d says, into the social culture of Arabia and the theology of Islam. Notice also that Joseph is totally left out, maybe because a single woman without a husband is more convincing to Arab-Muslim sentiments than a married woman with a Jewish husband.

But to a larger extent the tale is written to placate Christians, as if to say, “see we Muslims also ‘believe’ in Yeshua and his mother, Mary”. THAT is 100% of the purpose of the inclusion of tales of Mary or Yeshua in the Quran.


23 posted on 09/08/2020 6:20:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: RoosterRedux
Correct - I know a dozen odd Iranians living in various parts of Europe and a few Iranians living IN Iran. All of them left Islam - but those in Iran left it secretly (or they would be killed).

The vast majority of Muslims do NOT read the Quran because

  1. it is in Old Arabic - 80% of the muslim world does not know Arabic at all, and among the rest, next to none can read Old Arabic (Classic Arabic)
  2. Even if they read it, the Quran is
    1. not arranged chronologically but by the length of the chapters (sura)
    2. has abrogation - later (chronologically later) verses cancel out chronologically earlier verses.
    3. It refers to events like in the above "tell people about x" and doesn't say much - like going to a stranger's family gathering where everyone is talking about people you have no idea about doing things you have no idea about

  3. To fully understand it you need to read the Sira - the biography of "Mo" written 200 years after he allegedly lived
  4. And the hadiths - all of them written 200 years after this Mo allegedly lived, and
  5. The Hadiths are checked by "hadith science" - namely that they say Hadith X123.44 is accurate because it was compiled by Bukhari who heard from Daulat who heard from Ahmed's brother-in-law's cousin Ejaz that his grandfather, Farid, had heard from Garima who heard from a companion of the profit, Halouma, that Mo once did something" - yeah, that's their version of "science" - that these were "honest" tellers

And they give up and believe what they are told.

Ditto for what they are told about Christianity - and their "Jesus" is a fictional character, not the real Jesus, Lord, God and Savior

24 posted on 09/08/2020 6:32:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: sauropod

Exactly. And THIS is what Muslims have in mind when you want to talk to them about Jesus.

So it is important for us as Christians to point out that the Quran’s “Jesus” is a fictional character and is not the real Jesus


25 posted on 09/08/2020 6:33:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: RoosterRedux; jmacusa
I recommend


26 posted on 09/08/2020 6:40:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: I-ambush

Exactly, because the word “Islam” means “submission” — it does not mean “peace” (which is salaam) and the religion does not promise peace - rather it says that when Islam has conquered all there will be “peace” - meaning submission


27 posted on 09/08/2020 6:41:46 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Cronos

The Koran offers a fun house mirror to several parts of the Bible, both Old and New Testament. It’s good for Christians to understand what Muslims have been told to believe and their lack of understanding of what the Bible actually says.

Knowledge is a good thing.


28 posted on 09/08/2020 7:52:05 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: View from the Cheap Seats

Exactly, thank you. We’re coming up on the 19th. anniversary of that horrible day on Friday of this week. I lost friends on that day so this kind of stuff really pisses me off.

Friday. The day Muslims go to the mosque. You can imagine in mosques every where they’re not going to be lighting candles for those who were murdered on 9/11.


29 posted on 09/08/2020 9:44:43 AM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: RoosterRedux
Abandoning the religion of hate and finding the Love and Salvation of Jesus Christ is an entirely different matter than creating some bs about a ‘’Muslim Jesus’.

And BTW this Friday is the 19th. anniversary of 9/11. Friday is the Muslims go to the mosque.

You don't think these devil worshiping demons are going to be lighting candles in memory of those who were slaughtered that day, do you?

30 posted on 09/08/2020 9:48:31 AM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Patriot_MP
Exactly!. Amen. This Friday is the 19th.anniversary of 9/11. This character has some nerve posting this bullsh!t barely a week out from that date.
31 posted on 09/08/2020 9:50:43 AM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Mark17

“Ex Muslim.. Thank you for the distinction. There is no “Muslim Jesus’’. There isn’t anywhere in the Bible in any of the Old Testament, The New Testament, The Acts of The Apostles or anywhere in the Bible that mentions Islam, Allah, or Mohammed.


32 posted on 09/08/2020 9:52:49 AM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Cronos
Vy familiar with Nabeel. He was a great evangelist!

What an incredible loss when he died.

33 posted on 09/08/2020 11:43:14 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: jmacusa

Islam is one of the most evil force’s on earth. One day, its power will be broken, maybe at the Ezekiel 38, 39 war.


34 posted on 09/08/2020 11:07:56 PM PDT by Mark17 (USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
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To: Mark17

If religion were the opiate of man kind than Islam is heroin.


35 posted on 09/08/2020 11:17:42 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: jmacusa

I believe we will have a much clearer picture of what happened on 9/11 in the future. Donal J Trump also lost many friends on that day. He personally witnessed the devastation and loss of life.


36 posted on 09/09/2020 4:49:12 AM PDT by View from the Cheap Seats
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