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Islamic (Quran) version of the nativity - read this to understand their Jesus is quite different AND why we call Mary the Mother of God
Quran ^
| 750 AD
| Mad Mo or rather an 8th century writer
Posted on 09/07/2020 11:22:54 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: RoosterRedux; jmacusa
And if I am not mistaken, Jesus went to the Cross for ALL humans. He did indeed sir. I think one of the most Godly men I have ever known, in Texas, was an Ex Muslim from Iran. What a pillar of faith he was.
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posted on
09/08/2020 5:14:55 AM PDT
by
Mark17
(USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
To: jmacusa
The Koran was written to justify invasion and looting of neighboring countries. Don’t take offense. It’s garbage.
To: Cronos
The tale is written to put many things about Mary, what she does, where she goes, what she says, and what G-d says, into the social culture of Arabia and the theology of Islam. Notice also that Joseph is totally left out, maybe because a single woman without a husband is more convincing to Arab-Muslim sentiments than a married woman with a Jewish husband.
But to a larger extent the tale is written to placate Christians, as if to say, “see we Muslims also ‘believe’ in Yeshua and his mother, Mary”. THAT is 100% of the purpose of the inclusion of tales of Mary or Yeshua in the Quran.
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posted on
09/08/2020 6:20:51 AM PDT
by
Wuli
To: RoosterRedux
Correct - I know a dozen odd Iranians living in various parts of Europe and a few Iranians living IN Iran. All of them left Islam - but those in Iran left it secretly (or they would be killed).
The vast majority of Muslims do NOT read the Quran because
- it is in Old Arabic - 80% of the muslim world does not know Arabic at all, and among the rest, next to none can read Old Arabic (Classic Arabic)
- Even if they read it, the Quran is
- not arranged chronologically but by the length of the chapters (sura)
- has abrogation - later (chronologically later) verses cancel out chronologically earlier verses.
- It refers to events like in the above "tell people about x" and doesn't say much - like going to a stranger's family gathering where everyone is talking about people you have no idea about doing things you have no idea about
- To fully understand it you need to read the Sira - the biography of "Mo" written 200 years after he allegedly lived
- And the hadiths - all of them written 200 years after this Mo allegedly lived, and
- The Hadiths are checked by "hadith science" - namely that they say Hadith X123.44 is accurate because it was compiled by Bukhari who heard from Daulat who heard from Ahmed's brother-in-law's cousin Ejaz that his grandfather, Farid, had heard from Garima who heard from a companion of the profit, Halouma, that Mo once did something" - yeah, that's their version of "science" - that these were "honest" tellers
And they give up and believe what they are told.
Ditto for what they are told about Christianity - and their "Jesus" is a fictional character, not the real Jesus, Lord, God and Savior
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posted on
09/08/2020 6:32:51 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
To: sauropod
Exactly. And THIS is what Muslims have in mind when you want to talk to them about Jesus.
So it is important for us as Christians to point out that the Quran’s “Jesus” is a fictional character and is not the real Jesus
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posted on
09/08/2020 6:33:51 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
To: RoosterRedux; jmacusa
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posted on
09/08/2020 6:40:22 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
To: I-ambush
Exactly, because the word “Islam” means “submission” — it does not mean “peace” (which is salaam) and the religion does not promise peace - rather it says that when Islam has conquered all there will be “peace” - meaning submission
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posted on
09/08/2020 6:41:46 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
To: Cronos
The Koran offers a fun house mirror to several parts of the Bible, both Old and New Testament. Its good for Christians to understand what Muslims have been told to believe and their lack of understanding of what the Bible actually says.
Knowledge is a good thing.
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posted on
09/08/2020 7:52:05 AM PDT
by
jdsteel
(Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
To: View from the Cheap Seats
Exactly, thank you. We’re coming up on the 19th. anniversary of that horrible day on Friday of this week. I lost friends on that day so this kind of stuff really pisses me off.
Friday. The day Muslims go to the mosque. You can imagine in mosques every where they’re not going to be lighting candles for those who were murdered on 9/11.
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posted on
09/08/2020 9:44:43 AM PDT
by
jmacusa
(If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
To: RoosterRedux
Abandoning the religion of hate and finding the Love and Salvation of Jesus Christ is an entirely different matter than creating some bs about a ‘’Muslim Jesus’.
And BTW this Friday is the 19th. anniversary of 9/11. Friday is the Muslims go to the mosque.
You don't think these devil worshiping demons are going to be lighting candles in memory of those who were slaughtered that day, do you?
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posted on
09/08/2020 9:48:31 AM PDT
by
jmacusa
(If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
To: Patriot_MP
Exactly!. Amen. This Friday is the 19th.anniversary of 9/11. This character has some nerve posting this bullsh!t barely a week out from that date.
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posted on
09/08/2020 9:50:43 AM PDT
by
jmacusa
(If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
To: Mark17
“Ex Muslim.. Thank you for the distinction. There is no “Muslim Jesus’’. There isn’t anywhere in the Bible in any of the Old Testament, The New Testament, The Acts of The Apostles or anywhere in the Bible that mentions Islam, Allah, or Mohammed.
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posted on
09/08/2020 9:52:49 AM PDT
by
jmacusa
(If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
To: Cronos
Vy familiar with Nabeel. He was a great evangelist!
What an incredible loss when he died.
To: jmacusa
Islam is one of the most evil forces on earth. One day, its power will be broken, maybe at the Ezekiel 38, 39 war.
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posted on
09/08/2020 11:07:56 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(USAF Retired. Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot.)
To: Mark17
If religion were the opiate of man kind than Islam is heroin.
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posted on
09/08/2020 11:17:42 PM PDT
by
jmacusa
(If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
To: jmacusa
I believe we will have a much clearer picture of what happened on 9/11 in the future. Donal J Trump also lost many friends on that day. He personally witnessed the devastation and loss of life.
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