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To: Iscool

Yes, by your and other responses protestants are seriously in denial of God’s Truth and rejection of God. Their denial ignores historical facts based on false personal opinion without any factual or reasonable basis.

Even Martin Luther and others have acknowledged that the Bible was authored by Catholics and that the Catholic Church was the Church founded by Jesus and preached the Gospel and baptized all nations for 2000 years. The inspired books of the Old Testament by the time of Christ, the Septuagint, contained the deuterocanonical books. Luther by himself rejected 7 books contradicting Christ’s authority (as stated in the Bible) given to Christ’s Catholic Church to determine the inspired books of the Old and New Testaments. Luther accepted the authorized Catholic Bible (may have changed or added a few words) but rejected 7 books and attempted to delete 4 books in the NT.

Catholics put the Church before the Bible because the Church existed first and wrote and compiled the Bible. The authority of the Bible depends on that of the Church. Then we use the Bible to prove the Church; it is also a historical document. From the Gospels as historical documents we learn that Christ founded a Church, but the authority of the Gospels as inspired writings rests on the word of the Church. Jesus did not write any of the books or command anyone to write the Bible. The Bible was based on Sacred Tradition that was passed down by Jesus and the Apostles and some was written down and passed down to us.

The Scriptures themselves assert that they are incomplete and send us to the Church.

The Catholic Church has dealt with many heresies and schisms over the years and has survived as Christ promised and will continue to survive even if membership declines as prophesied.

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus to help us for our salvation. As you know, God is love and gave us ‘free will’ to either accept His Truth, His Catholic Church and his love or reject it.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/catholics-and-the-bible

Your comment/question: “Why would we go to a pretend Church to eat a pretend Jesus when we already have him??? “

Because Jesus told us that it was necessary for our salvation. (John 6:54) Why do you reject His word? Why do you not want His supernatural Body and Blood to dwell within you as He promised?

Your incorrect quote: “But attaining salvation by the free gift of grace with works is also dead...Eph. 2:8,9... “

Yes we are saved by faith through grace and not by works of the law. “:lest any man should boast” 10 “We are created in Christ Jesus for good works” We choose to do good works to show our obedience and our love for God and neighbor.

“So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.” James 2:17

“Truly,truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.” John 14:12

Your comment: “That’s because the bible rejects any kind of purgatory in spite of the scripture you falsely attempt to attribute to it...After you die if your soul starts feeling some heat, it ain’t purgatory..”

Then I guess all protestants are going where there is some heat? I guess you didn’t read or understand the readings. You realize that you can’t pray for yourself in purgatory, so may you better start now...

Your comment: “By your unbelief you have rejected the mystery of the kingdom of God and are reduced to reading parables such as your Eucharist scenario while the truth is given spiritually to real Christians...

I think you are right in Mark 4: 10-20 that the secret of the kingdom of God was given to the Apostles and the Catholic Church.To those that hear but not understand God’s words, Jesus gave us parables so that they learn from the sower. However where the word is sown on rocky ground with no roots, then Satan immediately comes and takes away the word which is sown in them. Those that were sown upon good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit.

Your comment: “This is why real Christians won’t waste 5 seconds of their time with a Eucharist.”

Make sure you inform them of John 6:53 “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;”

You didn’t reply to the false protestant promise:

There is a false protestant promise that all future sins are forgiven.

The Our Father prayer to God states “ And forgive us our trespasses As we forgive those who trespass against you:”

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matt 6:14-15 Also read Heb 4:16 and Heb 10:26-27

If one rejects God’s Truth, then they reject God and perhaps commit mortal sin that jeopardizes salvation. “How much worse the punishment do you think will be deserved by man who has spurned the Son of god, and profaned the blood of the covenant, by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?”


245 posted on 09/09/2020 6:28:27 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
Catholics put the Church before the Bible because the Church existed first and wrote and compiled the Bible.

No the church (Church) did not write and compile the bible...The apostles, Luke, prophets and Patriarchs wrote and compiled the bible...And those people are not the church...

What's your definition of the Church???

248 posted on 09/09/2020 7:15:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
There is a false protestant promise that all future sins are forgiven.

Really??? Well there's a bible promise that all future sins ARE forgiven...This next verse refers to me...

Rom 4:8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 

And this:

1Pe 2:24  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 

I am dead to sins...Apparently you're not...You might want to look into that...

249 posted on 09/09/2020 7:21:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
Even Martin Luther and others have acknowledged that the Bible was authored by Catholics and that the Catholic Church was the Church founded by Jesus and preached the Gospel and baptized all nations for 2000 years.


257 posted on 09/10/2020 4:34:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

God’s TRUTH is spiritual in nature, as Jesus told his steadfast friends (John 6:63 It’s the Spirit who gives life; the flesh accomplishes nothing. The words that I’ve spoken to you are spirit and life.). That you have not yet learned that is quite telling, Catholic.


288 posted on 09/11/2020 11:06:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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