Posted on 09/07/2020 7:14:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Oh hey, it’s LOOOOOTHAAAAARRRRRRRRR!
The cry of the Catholic who’s been confronted by the Word of God and unable to answer it.
Very amusing.
...that challenges Paul’s view of Justification by Faith alone.
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Having said that, it’s nice to have a Catholic admit that Paul did in fact preach and teach justification by faith alone.
Your contemporaries on this board might start screaming at you, though.
There are whole chapters of teachings of justification by faith alone, explained in great detail.
People ignore it at their vast peril.
It’s nice to finally have a Catholic tell us that they consider Paul a heretic and false teacher, even if they didn’t use those exact words.
Paul had some very specific and rather vulgar words for people who preached salvation by works.
A mere fallacious bombastic spitwad in lieu of an actual valid argument.
There are protestants who believe:
Irrelevant - and such a fundamental error that it indicates ignorance or worse - since unlike RCs, no one here is defending all that is classed as Protestant or any one true church, much less such liberalism as you mentioned, and thus your charge is invalid. In contrast, those who defend Catholicism are defending a church which manifestly considers even proabortion, proLGBTQ public figures as members in life and in death, and thus so are the laity if they will obey the exhortation to follow their pastors as docile sheep.
And those who attempt to reject Francis as their pope are in schism according to Rome which at least can name a living pope as is head, while those who pick and choose from V2 are part of the many conservative sects that are at most risk to being censored. And who, in principle, are operating like Bible Christians in that they decide what is valid church teaching based upon their judgment of what ancient authoritative church teaching is and means. However, for us that source is Scripture.
AMEN!
I can criticize the man, without rejecting the office he holds.
Stop making stuff up to your own liking.
I can criticize the man, without rejecting the office he holds.
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Is that an admission that Francis IS the Pope?
But what does it say about the office if an evil man can occupy it with no way to remove him?
So why not join the One True Church?
After all, Jesus Christ did establish one Church, and only one church.
It means we Catholics suffer.
Did you try to remove Obama from office while he was POTUS?
Yes.
Fortunately our Constitution has ways to do so.
Catholicism, not so much it seems.
Are you calling the Apostle Paul a heretic then?
Because it sounds like you’re calling the Apostle Paul a heretic.
Are you?
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You need to post one of your Strawman Football memes against yourself on this one.
Having said that, it’s nice to have a Catholic admit that Paul did in fact preach and teach justification by faith alone.
Your contemporaries on this board might start screaming at you, though.
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Paul’s not the only Apostle to think/say wrong things about Jesus.
When Jesus told the Apostle Peter that he must be crucified, die, and rise again on the third day. Imagine an Apostle actually had the audacity to tell Jesus he was mistaken. No wonder Jesus told him “Get behind me, Satan!”
It’s nice to finally have a Catholic tell us that they consider Paul a heretic and false teacher, even if they didn’t use those exact words.
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You need to post another one of your Strawman Football memes to yourself.
Paul’s not the only Apostle to think/say wrong things about Jesus.
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Okay. Let’s use your logic then.
James is wrong then! Salvation is without works. James is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and you may no longer invoke his epistle without being a hypocrite.
Ok, I’ll take up your challenge.
The view that Salvation is through Faith alone is heresy.
For ages, that belief has been a minority view in Christendom (Catholic and Orthodox) even unto this day. Are the vast majority of those who have practiced Christianity unto this day guilty of heresy? It’s either Paul or the overwhelming majority of Christians.
So, Is Paul a heretic? Technically, yes. But there are many great Christians (Origen, Augustine, Luther, and Calvin to name just a few) who have professed beliefs on an issue that have been deemed heretical.
Does this mean they are cut off from God’s saving power? That is for God to decide. I can speculate; and my speculation is that it does NOT. But it’s just that: speculation.
In the Catholic and Orthodox Traditions, Paul is just one of the Apostles. A very important one, but still just one. The early church found great philosophical problems with Paul’s opinion on Justification. The Epistle of James is just the first reaction to what would be an eventual rejection of such a view through out the leadership of the church in the centuries to come. But it would take time. There were a lot of issue that the early church faced within and without. The writings from Paul’s time only hint at the intellectual challenges it would eventually face.
Now I wanted to keep this short. I have not gone into detail about all the reasons why Justification by mere belief alone was rejected, but rest assured it was by a near totality of Orthodox and Catholic leaders. There were spurts of such a philosophy here and there that would arise, but it did not “break out” so to speak until the Reformation.
I can criticize the man, without rejecting the office he holds. Stop making stuff up to your own liking.
More fallacious sophistry. Indeed "stop making stuff up to your own liking." The charge was not that of rejecting an office but the one in it. For you do not simply "criticize the man" but relegate him to being a material and formal heretic in need of conversion as a non-catholic, being a protestant, with a rogue curia. And what practical function does an office (of the "living magisterium") hold without any one in it? So tell us who your living pope is.
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