Mary and Jesus More Closely Related than we may have Thought.. Holy DNA !

Defenders of the Catholic Faith Ministry ^ | 8-21-2020 | Steve Ray

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You know, it’s hard just even reading this without worrying about blasphemy! People actually believe all this?

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Good points!

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You may have READ the article, but you clearly did not understand its import.... And I understand the knee jerk need to deflect and obfuscate God's plan for Mary or Isaiah 7:14 as just a "woman" who said yes- but you have missed the point.

Who are you to judge what I do or do not understand? Here's a thought...instead of your OWN knee-jerk reaction of assuming those who don't buy into the Catholic Mariolatry have a knee-jerk "need to deflect and obfuscate God's plan for Mary", why not accept that not everyone thinks the same way on this as some of you do?

Draw your own conclusions- or denials, but for The Blessed Virgin Mary to carry around living cells from the Christ Child within her- and Assumed into Heaven (As even Luther preached) with those cells from Christ through bringing the Savior into this world- (full circle?).... well that's just pretty dang interesting for those who Love Mary, the Queen of Heaven, who is there for us- as she was for God. (In spite of not bein able to find "living fetal cell transfer of pregnancy" in the Bible)

Yes, I can draw my own conclusions. I hate to break this to you, but Mary is not IN her resurrected and glorified body yet. When she does, it will NOT be the same body she died in:

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Where O Death is Your Victory?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. ” (I Corinthians 15:35-57)

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I really do not understand the Catholic obsession with Mary, especially with the way they strip all the humanity out of her. No real emotions. No real point of connection. Just an otherworldly illusion of serenity that’s impossible to relate to. Might as well be a statue with how statue-like they made her!

Read Daniel1212's post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3877970/posts?page=232#232

That just might help explain the obsession. It comes from a place of NOT really believing Jesus' OWN words about Himself or of our loving Heavenly Father. It probably stems from the thought of earthly fathers being the stern disciplinarians and how mommy could be appealed to. It is a perverted view of Almighty God that we can only guess who started THAT ball rolling.

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Answer the question:

Why did Elizabeth call an unborn child, “My Lord”? And why did John leap in Elizabeth’s womb?

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Not playing your nighttime games, ET. Beddy-bye time.

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Figures you won’t answer.

[MHGinTN]

How very nasty of you to try and taunt and bait ... very ebb toady of you in fact.

[Elsie]

Why did Elizabeth call an unborn child, “My Lord”? And why did John leap in Elizabeth’s womb?

Come on; man: MINDREAD!

[daniel1212]

old CatholicAnswers. The website that claims that saved by grace really means saved by works,

Meaning salvation by grace thru merit, becoming actually good enough thru purgatorial sufferings to enter Heaven, while true believers of penitent effectual faith in the risen Lord Jesus are accepted in the Beloved on His account and made to sit with Him in Heaven, (Eph. 1:6; 2:6) and have immediate access into the holy of holies in Heaven by the sinless shed blood of Christ, (Heb. 10:19) and will go to be forever with Him at death or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

And with the only suffering after this life for true believers being that of the loss of rewards (and the Lord's disapproval at that time) at the judgment seat of Christ, which one is saved despite the loss of, and which does not occur until the Lord's return and believers resurrection. (1Cor. 3:8ff; 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) And which resurrection being the only transformative the believer looks forward to after this life (Rm. 8:23; 2Co. 5:1-4; Phil 3:20,21; 1Jn. 3:2) — not purgatory, which suffering commences at death in order to enable souls to enter Heaven. Glory to God.

[daniel1212]

I really do not understand the Catholic obsession with Mary, especially with the way they strip all the humanity out of her. No real emotions. No real point of connection. Just an otherworldly illusion of serenity that’s impossible to relate to. Might as well be a statue with how statue-like they made her! Read Daniel1212's post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3877970/posts?page=232#232 That just might help explain the obsession. It comes from a place of NOT really believing Jesus' OWN words about Himself or of our loving Heavenly Father. It probably stems from the thought of earthly fathers being the stern disciplinarians and how mommy could be appealed to. It is a perverted view of Almighty God that we can only guess who started THAT ball rolling.

As https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Mother attests, there is a strong psychological appeal to a Heavenly Mother. In Egyptian mythology there is the sky goddess "Nut." In the Ascended Master Teachings (a group of religions based on Theosophy) the Heavenly Mother is called Omega. Within Mormonism there is bwelief a Heavenly Mother as the wife of God the Father. In the Unification Church some members occasionally address God as "Heavenly Mother." Within the Unification Church sometimes God is addressed as "Heavenly Mother." The Korean group World Mission Society Church of God believes that Zahng Gil Jah is the spiritual wife of God making her the heavenly new Jerusalem Mother. In Hindism there is the worship of a Mother deity. Devī (the middle name of Kamala Harris) is the Sanskrit word for "goddess." The Rigveda calls the divine female power Mahimata (R.V. 1.164.33), literally Great Mother and also called Mother Earth. In places, the Vedic literature alludes to her as Viraj, the universal mother, as Aditi, the mother of gods, and as Ambhrini, the one born of the Primeval Ocean. Durga, the wife of Shiva, is a warrior goddess who represents the empowering and protective nature of motherhood. An incarnation of Durga is Kali, who came from her forehead during war (as a means of defeating Durga's enemy, Mahishasura). Durga and her incarnations are particularly worshipped in Bengal.

Collyridianism was a heretical Christian sect that worshipped the Virgin Mary as their Heavenly Mother and as a Goddess, which the Catholic Church condemned holding that Mary was to be venerated but not adored like God - though one would be pressed to tell the difference, and indeed, Mary seems to receive more popular devotion than Christ who created her.

As said before, One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing supernatural attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Which manner of "adulation" could constitute worship in Scripture (Words for worship in the NT (http://peacebyjesus.net/Words_used_for_worship.html)), yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship. The Catholic Encyclopedia speculates that a further reinforcement of Marian devotion, “

was derived from the cult of the angels, which, while pre-Christian in its origin, was heartily embraced by the faithful of the sub-Apostolic age. It seems to have been only as a sequel of some such development that men turned to implore the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. This at least is the common opinion among scholars, though it would perhaps be dangerous to speak too positively. Evidence regarding the popular practice of the early centuries is almost entirely lacking...,” (Catholic Encyclopedia > Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary)

Yet as expected, the Catholic Encyclopedia imagines this practice came from the apostles and NT church, but which never exampled or instructed it, and instead the NT shows that the believer has immediate access to God in the Divine (http://peacebyjesus.net/DEITYofCHRIST.html) Christ, (Heb. 10:19 (http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Heb.%2010.19)), who is the all sufficient and immediate intercessor between God (the Father) and man. (Heb. 2:17 (http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Heb.%202.17),18 (http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Heb%202.18); 4:15 (http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Heb%204.15),16 (http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Heb%204.16)) To the glory of God

[daniel1212]

+++" BEHOLD YOUR MOTHER..."+++

Wrong inference again. This statement is in commending the care of His mother to John, not the church to her, while if meant to commissioning the exaltation of Mary to the church then Peter would be the Catholic candidate, while the Holy Spirit of Christ would show this hyperdulia of Mary in the the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed, which is not what is manifest. Wherein it is mainly the labor of Paul birthing and caring for regenerated souls.

[daniel1212]

"Consider a few well-known passages in the King James Version in which the word “behold” is used, and mentally substitute for it the phrase “Listen, because this is very important”:

More sophistry, since while "behold" as an attentive consideration (a better translation than "look" or "listen") can denote something of much importance, in context this is directed toward John to take Mary into his personal care, not to the church to place her on a pedestal as a exalted goddess. Moreover, consider that we are also told "behold" Mary as standing without as the crowd of hearers the Lord taught, and seeking His attention.

However, rather than acting like the Catholic Christ toward the Mary of Catholicism and thus promptly leaving the crowd to attend to her desire above that of the rest, not only does the Spirit of Christ not say this (though in His Father's time I am sure the Lord of all met with Mary and the clan), but records that Christ referred to all who do the will of His Father as being "my mother and my brethren:"

Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. (Matthew 12:47-50; 13:1)

[boatbums]

You may have READ the article, but you clearly did not understand its import.... And I understand the knee jerk need to deflect and obfuscate God's plan for Mary or Isaiah 7:14 as just a "woman" who said yes- but you have missed the point.

The Article IS NOT ABOUT DNA !!

Then WHY title the article:

Mary and Jesus More Closely Related than we may have Thought.. Holy DNA !

[Cronos]

to: MHGinTN
cc: ebb tide

Do rapturists like you, MHGinTN, continue to deny Christ's very words that "Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."?

Why do you follow that 19th century false teaching of pre-Trib rapture?

And, MHGinTN, why do you deny Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 7 that the Kingdom of God (the Church) will come during the 4th Kingdom - during the Roman Empire (300 BC to 1453 AD) - and that Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven is the Church as Jesus said?

[Cronos]

really MHG, should one give the following reminder about your posts?