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To: Hieronymus

And what Catholic missions to the muslims have occured since VCII?

We now have a pope claiming proslytism is a sin and signing documents with muslims claiming God wills a plurality of religion. All in the “Spirit of VCII”!

And I don’t recall any preconciliar catholic catechisms teaching Muslims worship the same God that Catholics worship or that proslytism is a sin.


11 posted on 07/26/2020 7:33:16 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I’ve only looked over a few pre-conciliar catechisms, and don’t recall them mentioning Muslims one way or the other.

Prostelytism, traditionally understood, is a work of Mercy. If Francis is defining Prostelytism differently than traditionally understood and saying that something else is a sin, he is only sowing confusion. Unless he sticks it in a work addressed specifically to me, I am not going to parse his position, and will pray that he be granted a happy death at the appropriate time, whatever that may be.

Francis speaking off the cuff (or in an encyclical) isn’t Vatican II. I am willing to spend some amount of my discretionary time defending Vatican II, but the spirit not at all. There is a point where one needs to stop attempting to put lipstick on a pig unless one has a special vocation to do so.

As far as attacking the Spirit of Vatican II, there are times where it is a corporal work of Mercy, but I can’t ever recalling anyone defending the Spirit of Vatican II, and it has been about two years since I’ve seen any active Catholic on FR seriously try to defend Francis on anything of greater significance than a misquote. A few of our separated brethren have risen to his defence at points during this time.


12 posted on 07/26/2020 8:44:30 AM PDT by Hieronymus (“I shall drink to the Pope, if you please, still, to conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.Â)
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