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To: ebb tide

I’ve only looked over a few pre-conciliar catechisms, and don’t recall them mentioning Muslims one way or the other.

Prostelytism, traditionally understood, is a work of Mercy. If Francis is defining Prostelytism differently than traditionally understood and saying that something else is a sin, he is only sowing confusion. Unless he sticks it in a work addressed specifically to me, I am not going to parse his position, and will pray that he be granted a happy death at the appropriate time, whatever that may be.

Francis speaking off the cuff (or in an encyclical) isn’t Vatican II. I am willing to spend some amount of my discretionary time defending Vatican II, but the spirit not at all. There is a point where one needs to stop attempting to put lipstick on a pig unless one has a special vocation to do so.

As far as attacking the Spirit of Vatican II, there are times where it is a corporal work of Mercy, but I can’t ever recalling anyone defending the Spirit of Vatican II, and it has been about two years since I’ve seen any active Catholic on FR seriously try to defend Francis on anything of greater significance than a misquote. A few of our separated brethren have risen to his defence at points during this time.


12 posted on 07/26/2020 8:44:30 AM PDT by Hieronymus (“I shall drink to the Pope, if you please, still, to conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.Â)
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To: Hieronymus
From the Catechism of St Pius X:

3 Q. Why do we call God the Father?
A. We call God the Father because by nature He is the Father of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, that is to say, of the Son begotten of Him; because God is the Father of all men, whom He has created and whom He preserves and governs; finally, because by grace He is the Father of all good Christians, who are hence called the adopted sons of God.

4 Q. Why is the Father the First Person of the Blessed Trinity?
A. The Father is the First Person of the Blessed Trinity, because He does not proceed from any other Person, but is the Principle of the other two Persons, that is, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

The muslims do not adore the God described above as Nostra Aetate falsely states they do.

13 posted on 07/26/2020 12:07:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Hieronymus
As far as attacking the Spirit of Vatican II, there are times where it is a corporal work of Mercy, but I can’t ever recalling anyone defending the Spirit of Vatican II,...

Francis invokes the Spirit of Vatican II quite often to justify his revolutionary actions.

14 posted on 07/26/2020 12:19:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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