Posted on 07/24/2020 7:55:20 AM PDT by Teleios Research
Be convinced with these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26) Read more at https://teleiosresearch.com/salvation-explanation/.
It is common practice here on the RM (in which you seem to be stranger) to ping others to posts to a subject or poster to which they are engaging in exchange with. However, some may be unreasonably contentious.
Not if they don’t want to be ping’d.
It is the Lord Jesus who said:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)
And which contextually does not refer to the flesh not profiting as the atonement, but as food. Thus the preceding reasoning question, "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" (John 6:62) in response to those who presumed that the Lord's use of physical terms (as in Jn. 2,3, 4 and elsewhere) was literally, and thus since Christ would leave earth (and nothing is said in Jn. 6 about church Eucharistic rituals) then He would not be there to provide His flesh that would be crucified.
And nowhere in John - in which the earthly is contrasted with the heavenly, (John 8:23) the physical with the spiritual, (John 3:6) the temporal with the eternal (John 4:33,34) - nor in all of Scripture is spiritual life obtained by literally consuming anything physical. However, entirely consistent with John, spiritual life is only obtained by believing the gospel, and it is the word of God that is called spiritual food ("milk," "meat") by which one is nourished and built up - not via the Cath. Eucharist. (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2 ;1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22; Heb. 5:12-14; 1 Timothy 4:6; Acts 20:32)
Likewise,
And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. (2 Samuel 23:16-17)
Here, David clearly calls drinking water human blood, and consistent with the command of Deuteronomy 12:16; 15:23 (cf. Lv. 17:10,11), he poured it on to the ground, and did so as an act of worship unto the Lord. What David did not do was contrive some metaphysical justification for drinking this, but to be consistent with the professed plain-language hermeneutic Catholics insist they hold to in regards to "this is my body," then they should also insist this was literal in this case. As well as when God clearly states that the Canaanites were “bread:
• “Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us” (Num. 14:9)
Other examples of the use of figurative language for eating and drinking include,
• The Promised Land was “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof.” (Num. 13:32)
• David said that his enemies came to “eat up my flesh.” (Ps. 27:2)
• And complained that workers of iniquity ”eat up my people as they eat bread , and call not upon the Lord.” (Psalms 14:4)
• And the Lord also said, “I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.” (Zephaniah 1:3)
• While even arrows can drink: “I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh ; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.' (Deuteronomy 32:42)
• But David says the word of God (the Law) was “sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. (Psalms 19:10)
• Another psalmist also declared the word as “sweet:” “How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!” (Psalms 119:103)
• Jeremiah likewise proclaimed, “Your words were found. and I ate them. and your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart” (Jer. 15:16)
• Ezekiel was told to eat the words, “open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee...” “eat that thou findest; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” (Ezek. 2:8; 3:1)
• John is also commanded, “Take the scroll ... Take it and eat it.” (Rev. 10:8-9 )
And Scripture refers to Christ being spiritual food and drink which even OT believers consumed:
• And did all eat the same spiritual meat; "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:3-4)
• And Christ's word in Jn. 6, "I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst," (John 6:35) are correspondent to,
"Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David." (Isaiah 55:2-3)
• Moreover, like as bread is broken, Is. 53:10 states that "it pleased the Lord to bruise him," and the word for "bruise" (da^ka^') means to crumble, to break..., (Strong's). And like as wine is poured out, so Is. 53:12 also states of Christ, "he hath poured out his soul unto death," both of which are correspondent to the words of the Last Supper regarding bread and wine.
And which use of figurative language for Christ and spiritual things abounds in John, using the physical to refer to the spiritual:
Much more , by the grace of God.
No one seeks out cultic stuff when searching for truth.
CHOP OFF THE LAST WEEK OF DANIEL’S 70 WEEK CONTINUOUS TIME PROPHECY, GIVEN BY GOD, AND MAGICALLY TRANSPORT IT 2000+ YEARS INTO THE FUTURE AND CALL THAT THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.
This is simply your opinion that there is anything wrong with God's delay, as he gathers souls before the trumpet warnings begin.
Now some thoughts about why I do not agree with you. Whether you agree with me or not doesn't matter to me.
1. The first 69 weeks were fulfilled.Now, you will believe whatever the prophetess tells you to believe and that's your call. Really, it doesn't matter to me what you decide to believe. Nor will I "debate it" since I believe you are in a heretical Christian sect. If you swallow that nonsense, I do not consider you objective. Someday, if you seek truth, a teacher will appear.2. The 70th week to me seems obviously paused since it involves the antichrist and I do not believe he has been revealed yet.
3. The 70th week involves the Great Tribulation. I do not believe this has occurred yet.
4. Nor do I believe the antichrist has fulfilled Daniel's prophecy that “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’” However, “in the middle of the ‘seven,’ . . . he will set up an abomination that causes desolation” in the temple.
5. Only a future fulfillment seems to explain Daniel 9:27.
6. Jesus warned of this event in Matthew 24:15. After the Antichrist breaks the covenant with Israel, a time of “great tribulation” begins - Matthew 24:21
7. Daniel 12:11 refers to a future stopping of the Jewish sacrifices forty-two months before Messiah returns to the earth. This has not happened yet.
8. I conclude the 70th 7 will occur when the living church is removed from the earth and the antichrist is revealed.
9. The Apostle Paul warned of the antichrist in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and the Apostle John in 1 John 2:18. Consequently, the antichrist has not appeared by the end of the first century.
I will continue to trust God to unfold things as He wishes - understanding we do not know everything in His plan..
BTW, there is nothing about shouting in all caps that makes a bad argument more persuasive FRiend.
In fact, is makes it weaker.
Best
Some of you guys always think you are smarter than the translators...Why don't you guys just leave the verses alone, take them as they are and ask God for the wisdom to figure it out and understand it...
Actually, as good and Divinely assisted many translators were, they were not infallible, and while God does illuminate true seekers, yet He has also provided seekers with help from gifted men. And rather than sinless perfection (or my body sins but I do not) being required in understanding 1 Jn 3:9, classic commentator A.T. Robertson states,
Doeth no sin (hamartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in 1Jo_3:4 like hamartanei in 1Jo_3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.
And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein)...The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jo_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jo_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jo_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
Your comment: “Nor in all the Bible is literally eating anything the means of obtaining spiritual life.”
Protestants reject the Truth of Jesus words and make up their own non-Biblical doctrines contrary to God’s Truth.
The Mass (which includes the Liturgy of the Word and Liturgy of the Eucharist) and the Sacraments are God’s gifts to us to help us in our journey of salvation. It is through God’s graces that we are saved, but we need to accept them.
All properly baptized persons are part of the Body of Christ even if they are in mortal sin (but it destroys the loving relationship with God) yet requires repentance, confession and penance before death. Rejection of God’s Truth and His Church is a rejection of Christ.
I will believe the Lord’s word over your uninspired comment or perhaps inspired by Satan.
Then you should truly think about it carefully.
What kind of response are your cultic automated assertions of RC claims that you can only wish were substantiated in response to what refutes them? Such manner of argument by mere assertions are actually an argument against being a Catholic, versus that distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed .
All properly baptized persons are part of the Body of Christ even if they are in mortal sin (but it destroys the loving relationship with God) yet requires repentance, confession and penance before death. Rejection of God’s Truth and His Church is a rejection of Christ.
Which is in response to my challenge (though per usual, you fail to quote it) to you of reconciling the literal interpretation of Jn. 5:53,54 with V2 (Lumen Gentium 16), yet that those properly baptized Prots are part of the Body of Christ in mortal sin (since they do not believe in the RC [un)Real Presence is simply your interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, regardless that you assert this is not open to interpretation. Lumen Gentium 16 neither states not infer this, while in reality, trusting in the Cath. "Real Presence is indicative of being lost as unregenerate.
‘His Church’ is not the Catholic Org. His Church is like speaking of the student body, of a particular school, and that Body of Christ, His Church, is made of ALL those who have done as God commands, they have believed in Whom God sent for their deliverance. That Church Jesus is coming for soon, so that we of His Body meet Him in the air. The Catholic Org isn’t going anywhere when the Rapture Departure happens. The Catholic Org may have to watch CNN to find out the Departure has occurred.
If you say so.
1-9 is all your opinion. And the fact remains that you CANNOT CHOP OFF AND TRANSPORT 2000+ YEARS INTO THE FUTURE A CONTINUOUS TIME, DAY FOR A YEAR PROPHECY. You do not rightly divide the word of God. And, you certainly have misinterpreted the prophecy. Maybe you saw my post to smvoice on the rapture thread? He tries even harder than you to make an arguement but also fails. Try again. Chapter and verse.
Not if they don’t want to be ping’d.
If you say so.
No, they say so.
That is just your fallible personal opinion.
It is not God’s Truth. Nor is it the historical truth.
You may be lucky to live to see God’s warning when he promises to show us our souls.
1. The first 69 weeks were fulfilled.
No, the full 70 weeks have been fulfilled. It ended with the stoning of Stephen.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dan927.htm
2. The 70th week to me seems obviously paused since it involves the antichrist and I do not believe he has been revealed yet.
It has nothing to do with the Antichrist. It was ALL about a probationary period for the Jews
CONCLUSION
The 70 weeks were 490 literal years that were a period of probation for national Israel:
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dan927.htm
3. The 70th week involves the Great Tribulation. I do not believe this has occurred yet.
The 70th week begins with the baptism of Christ and ends with the stoning of Stephen.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dan927.htm
Then why didn't Jesus tell Thomas to lick his fingers after inserting them into the wounds?
SURELY actual blood would have guaranteed eternal life for Thomas!
Your acceptance of anything that comes down the Appian Way may show your inability to figure out Scripture on your own.
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