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[Catholic Caucus] Communion Order Shocks Argentine Faithful
Church Militant ^ | July 3, 2020 | Martin M. Barillas

Posted on 07/03/2020 7:53:14 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Communion Order Shocks Argentine Faithful

Bishop yields to government, compels reception in hand

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (ChurchMilitant.com) - Diocesan priests and laity are questioning the leadership of their bishop, who has ruled in accordance with the civil government's Wuhan virus guidelines that Holy Communion may be received only in the hand.

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Gov. Rodolfo Suárez

After weeks of government prohibition of public celebration of the Mass throughout Argentina, the two bishops of Mendoza province asked Gov. Rodolfo Suárez for relief. 

Suárez told Bp. Eduardo Taussig of San Rafael and Abp. Marcelo Debenedictis of Mendoza's capital that they could resume public celebration of the Mass but must limit the number of faithful to just 30 in each instance. They both complied with the government order. Local media quoted Abp. Debenedictis, who said: "When entering the churches, people will sign a registry and an affidavit to be taken into account should there be a need for immediate and timely contact. 

Bishop Taussig presides over San Rafael, which lies in an Andean region known for its wines. With a population of 1.7 million, Mendoza province has seen just 10 Wuhan virus deaths, while the whole country has registered slightly over 1,300 deaths among its 44 million residents.

The Peronist government has imposed strict social-distancing measures throughout the country, while it has also given provincial governors some leeway in enforcement. He took the added step of requiring that seminarians and all laity must receive the Eucharist in the hand, rather than receiving it directly on the tongue. No option was given. 

According to the Vatican, each of the faithful has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice.

Conservatism vs. Conscience

San Rafael has a reputation of being one of the most conservative dioceses in the country.  As evidence of local fealty to tradition, residents of the diocese told Church Militant that the traditional liturgy in Latin is offered every Sunday at one parish there, while in much of the rest of Argentina, the Latin Mass is virtually unknown. 

He took the added step of requiring that seminarians and all laity must receive the Eucharist in the hand, rather than receiving it directly on the tongue. Tweet

San Rafael lay faithful have long been accustomed to receiving the Eucharist by mouth only and while kneeling. In the Latin rite of the Church, this was the pious custom for centuries, even while receiving it while standing and in the hand has become more common. In the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, it says: "When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated Host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant." 

In his video messages, Bp. Taussig has explained what he says are the theological underpinnings of receiving the Eucharist in the hand and while standing. In one video, he directs himself to the faithful "who believe it is wrong to receive Communion by hand."  

He said, "Some have told me it's a sacrilege or that it is a mortal sinwhile others fear they will be condemned if they receive Communion in the hand." Because they fear that they may be offending God, he said that many faithful are refraining from the Eucharist.  

While saying that the concerns may stem from a 'righteous conscience,' the bishop said [the faithful] are 'wrong and lack elements of a true conscience.'Tweet

Reception in the hand, he said, "is the only possible means during the pandemic." While saying that the concerns may stem from a "righteous conscience," the bishop said that they are "wrong and lack elements of a true conscience."  

Bishop Taussig asserted that not only the Apostles but even the Virgin Mary received the Eucharist in their hands. To say that it is a sacrilege or mortal sin, he claimedis "gravely" wrong given that it was practiced centuries ago. Receiving on the tongue or in the hand are both legitimate, he said, adding that "each expresses complimentary expressions of the Eucharist." 

Shock and Consternation 

Saying that he is ultimately responsible for catechizing his flock, Bp. Taussig called on clergy and catechists to place "the entire people of God in concert with the practice and teachings of the Church." He has also personally catechized at least one parish on this teaching, and reportedly told parishioners that they had been incorrectly catechized in the past. 


Bp. Eduardo María Taussig

Interviews with laity and reviews of Argentine media revealed that Bp. Taussig has dismissed Fr. Alejandro Miguel Ciarrocchi as rector of the diocesan seminary, reportedly because the priest had defended seminarians' right to receive the Eucharist by mouth directly from the celebrant of the Mass.

A blog titles Caminante-Wanderer described the distress and consternation felt by priests and laity in the diocese. It said that the priest serving at the San Rafael cathedral, for example, "tearfully" asked the bishop to rethink his requirement about the Eucharist. 

On June 27, the bishop released a video in which he demonstrated that the faithful should receive the Eucharist by extending the left hand and supporting it with the right, forming a "throne." This accords with the "dignity," he said, of martyrs and the receiving the sacrament of Confirmation. 

"During the time of this pandemic," he said, "we have the opportunity to receive Jesus Christ in only one way: in our hands." In the future, he said that the faithful may receive the Eucharist as they wish, "including by mouth." 


Cdl. Robert Sarah

Two members of Bp. Taussig's flock have written to Cdl. Robert Sarah, the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In a copy of a letter obtained by Church Militanteducators Andrea Greco de Alvarez and Fernando Alvarezwho are a married couple, say that local liturgical norms must be approved by the body over which Cdl. Sarah presides. They also quote Church doctrine saying that the faithful have the right to choose whether to receive Holy Communion by mouth. Without a clear authorization from the Congregation, they argue, Bp. Taussig's order is invalid. 

According to the letter, by June 13 there had been but one case of COVID-19 in the city of San Rafael, and four cases in the smaller town of Malargue, in nearly 90 days of quarantine. In San Rafael, economic activity has returned, albeit with social distancing and the use of face masks imposedThey end their letter by lamenting: "It is with great regret and profound pain that we see how the Eucharist — the source and summit of our Christian faith — is being treated." 

 

Apart from the Alvarez's letter to the Vatican, lay faithful have issued a statement to Bp. Taussig, saying that changing Church custom for hygienic reasons is an "abuse of authority." They asked him to authorize the distribution of the Eucharist on the tongue, adding that receiving in the hand is "not as sacred." The government's reasoning, the statement said, is "invalid." 

Church/State Relations 

Bishop Emeritus Héctor Aguer, the former ordinary of the diocese of La Plata, who is counted as a conservative in Church circlesexpressed concern in an article that his fellow bishops are allowing government officials to essentially dictate how Catholics should worship. 


 Bp. Emeritus Héctor Aguer

While he did not mention Bp. Taussig by name, Bp. Aguer criticized fellow bishops and priests for promoting Communion in the hand in compliance with government commands: "The Argentine government, exercising its inborn inclination towards authoritarianism, attributes to itself the duty and means to preserve all of us from catching the new plague. It has determined, therefore, that worship of God and receiving the sacraments are 'nonessential activities.'"

It has allowed some openings of churches, he wrote, according to its estimate of the health environment, even while it "prohibits liturgies."   

Bishop Aguer lamented that reception of the Eucharist in the hand has been accompanied by a general ease with which it is distributed and received, noting that the faithful in the past were catechized to fast and be in a state of grace. 

"Due to a mistaken view of dialogue with the world, the Church has become mundane and mimics the anthropocentrism of secular culture. The primacy of God and the appreciation of what refers to Him are shunted aside, to the harm of the world and of the Church itself," he wrote.

Bishop Aguer criticized fellow bishops and priests for promoting communion in the hand in compliance with government commands.Tweet

Bishop Aguer wrote, "It appears to me unnecessary and dangerous in looking at the future that because of a pandemic that Holy Communion must be received in the hand, and therefore while standing."

"Who should wish to comply with such a measure — the health authorities, whose criteria are assumed?" he asked. "Isn't there a risk that the faithful may see it as an excessive requirement? Who benefits from this?"


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Interviews with laity and reviews of Argentine media revealed that Bp. Taussig has dismissed Fr. Alejandro Miguel Ciarrocchi as rector of the diocesan seminary, reportedly because the priest had defended seminarians' right to receive the Eucharist by mouth directly from the celebrant of the Mass.
1 posted on 07/03/2020 7:53:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 07/03/2020 7:54:08 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Hands are much dirtier than a tongue.

Reception of the Eucharist on the tongue is preferred by the GIRM. (General Instructions of the Roman Missal)


3 posted on 07/03/2020 7:58:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide

Please go away.

Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.

Take care of your own soul and leave the rest of us alone.
We are not interested in your flawed opinions.


4 posted on 07/03/2020 9:07:45 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Sorry.

Not leaving, even if Old Scratch tells me to.


5 posted on 07/03/2020 9:32:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Salvation
Hands are much dirtier than a tongue.
Reception of the Eucharist on the tongue is preferred by the GIRM. (General Instructions of the Roman Missal)

True enough! However, these are DETAILS. It doesn't MATTER.
We are simply BLESSED to have the Mass and Eucharist at all.

Remember what Jesus said that all that's "unclean" comes from within. I don't think He would cavil at dirty hands.

6 posted on 07/03/2020 10:20:57 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: oldbill
Please go away.
Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.
Take care of your own soul and leave the rest of us alone.
We are not interested in your flawed opinions.

If THAT is his biggest and worst problem...then he really doesn't have much to worry about, does he?

"Unclean" comes from within. So, dirty hands, dirty tongue? I doubt Jesus would cavil at either. He wants us to have a CLEAN HEART first and foremost.

Thanks, oldbill.

7 posted on 07/03/2020 10:28:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: oldbill; ebb tide

Make that “Nobody minus two”.


8 posted on 07/04/2020 4:46:34 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cloudmountain; oldbill; ebb tide

“Please go away.
Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.
Take care of your own soul and leave the rest of us alone.
We are not interested in your flawed opinions.”
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“If THAT is his biggest and worst problem...then he really doesn’t have much to worry about, does he?

“Unclean” comes from within. So, dirty hands, dirty tongue? I doubt Jesus would cavil at either. He wants us to have a CLEAN HEART first and foremost.

Thanks, oldbill.”
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The poster indicated “Catholic Caucus”, so one would hope that you are either a Catholic, or if not, are at least approaching this conversation from a position that is, on balance, sympathetic to the Catholic perspective.

oldbill, the basic issue with receiving Holy Communion in the hand is that it is only even allowable in the first place due to an “Indult”, or an officially-granted exception, to the Catholic Church’s universal liturgical rule, which is that, in order to show maximum reverence for the Real Presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ, members of the faithful who are well-disposed are to receive the consecrated Host, the Holy Eucharist, directly on the tongue from the consecrated hands of a priest.

When you say “Nobody is interested in your obsession with this communion in the hand thing.”, you appear to reveal ignorance of this fact.

Cloudmountain, what you are referring to are Jesus’ teachings with respect to how to become and remain holy. He mentions Jewish dietary laws, not to find fault with pious, law-abiding Jews (why would he do that, as he himself was Jewish?), but as a “hook” to redirect the efforts of those who wish to conform themselves to the will of God.

As Catholics, who follow both the Old and the New Testament, we know that Jesus’ teachings in this regard cast such dietary laws directly into the dustbin of religious history. And yet, we still observe the rule that members of the faithful are to fast prior to receiving Holy Eucharist. Why, do you think, do we do this?


9 posted on 07/04/2020 5:17:17 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: oldbill

Of course He didn’t place His Body on the tongues of the Apostles - they were the first bishops.


11 posted on 07/04/2020 7:00:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: oldbill

Oldbill, I may need to get a life, but you certainly need to get a new forum for your views.

Among other things, that’s what Ebb tide was signaling when he added the label “Catholic Caucus” to the title.

I’m the last one who should be dispensing advice about how to avoid getting kicked off of this forum. That said, I can say that following rules like the foregoing while gracing others with your considered opinions can help keep you out of hot water.


12 posted on 07/04/2020 7:18:13 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey

I meant a new or different posting/thread of course. Ebbtide is simply asking that this posting/thread be commented on only by Catholics and those who are Catholic friendly.


13 posted on 07/04/2020 7:24:01 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
I AM a practicing Catholic.
I DOUBT if Jesus would have a problem with HOW to receive Holy Communion...but that is just my opinion. He DID seem more interested in a clean HEART than clean hands, but maybe you know better than I do.

And, I am NOT interested with one's obsession with how to receive holy communion. It's SUCH a detail. That we DO receive it SEEMS to me to be more important, but then maybe you have different ideas.

As for fasting...it USED to be three hours, now it's only an hour before Holy Communion. Also, we are allowed to drink water right up to the very moment of receiving the Eucharist.
We DO this because we are instructed to do so.

Things change. Jesus doesn't. Maybe you simply don't care for the changes and don't WANT to change.

PAX TIBI.

14 posted on 07/04/2020 9:10:45 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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From:

As UK public Masses resume, bishops demand Communion in the hand only while standing

The bishops’ document also insists that “Communion must be given silently in the hand only, with the communicant standing, and avoiding any physical contact.”

Why no kneeling, old bill?

15 posted on 07/04/2020 4:47:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: cloudmountain

“As for fasting...it USED to be three hours, now it’s only an hour before Holy Communion. Also, we are allowed to drink water right up to the very moment of receiving the Eucharist.
We DO this because we are instructed to do so.”

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Cloudmountain. Why are we being instructed to fast prior to receiving Holy Communion?


16 posted on 07/06/2020 9:16:49 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ebb tide

“Why no kneeling, old bill?”

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The bishops know that one who assumes the posture of kneeling prior to receiving Holy Eucharist is publicly and unequivocally demonstrating total reverence for the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Why would they want to encourage that?


17 posted on 07/06/2020 9:39:20 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
Cloudmountain. Why are we being instructed to fast prior to receiving Holy Communion?

See:

Eucharistic discipline
Chapter AND verse are quoted from Canon Law.

Can. 919: §1. A person who is to receive the Most Holy Eucharist is to abstain for at least one hour before holy communion from any food and drink, except for only water and medicine.

Prayers before and after communion

Roman Catholic practice
Sufficient spiritual preparation must be made by each Roman Catholic prior to receiving Holy Communion. A Catholic in a state of mortal sin should first make a sacramental confession: otherwise that person commits a sacrilege. A sacrilege is the unworthy treatment of sacred things. Deliberate and irreverent treatment of the Eucharist is the worst of all sacrileges, as this quote from the Council of Trent shows:
"As of all the sacred mysteries ...none can compare with the ...Eucharist, so likewise for no crime is there heavier punishment to be feared from God than for the unholy or irreligious use by the faithful of that which...contains the very Author and Source of holiness." (De Euch., v.i).

The above applies to both Latin and Eastern rite Catholics.
In addition, they abstain from food and drink (except water and medicine) for at least one hour before receiving, and believe truly in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The discipline for Eastern Catholics generally requires a longer period of fasting and some Latin Catholics observe the earlier (pre-1955) discipline of fasting from the previous midnight.
These prayers express humility and the communicants' sense of unworthiness for the gift they are about to receive. The post-Communion prayers are often read aloud by a reader or a member of the congregation after the liturgy and during the veneration of the cross, these prayers of thanksgiving expressing the communicants' joy at having received the holy mysteries "for the healing of soul and body."

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Any more questions?

18 posted on 07/06/2020 3:12:36 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain; oldbill; one guy in new jersey
The Grave Sin of Communion in the Hand

Any more questions?

19 posted on 07/06/2020 4:17:38 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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From Fr. Z:

URGENT – TIME SENSITIVE – INFO NEEDED ABOUT DENIAL OF COMMUNION ON THE TONGUE – REPOST, TWEET, ETC.

20 posted on 07/06/2020 5:43:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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