[Catholic Caucus] BREAKING: The Questionaire on Summorum Pontificum: what’s going on behind the scenes

Rorate Caeli ^ | April 24, 2020 | Francesca Romana

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[Catholic Caucus] BREAKING: The Questionaire on Summorum Pontificum: what’s going on behind the scenes

The Editor

Messa in Latino 

April 24, 2020

Dearest Friends,

After publishing the translations of the CDF’s letter to the Episcopal Conferences and the attached questionnaire on theapplication of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, we would like now to add some further updating on this complex and delicate matter.  MessainLatino.it, in fact was given some [background]information that we judge reliable.

Here it is:

1. It would seem that in the decision to effect the survey on the application of the Motu Proprio, and in the successive wording of the questionnaire, the ‘Section IV’ Office of the CDF (which corresponds to the former Ecclesia Dei Commission) was never  consulted,  not even indirectly. The former Commission had been simply informed about it (we don’t know whether it was after the fact);

2. The question whether the operation is a prelude to an attack on the Motu Proprio is circulating in the Vatican. The most prevalent answer given to this question would be “not right away…”:

3. Regarding the Holy See’s internal dynamics, it would seem that the appeal-letter* by Prof. Andrea Grillo against the recent integrations of the 1962 Missal, which were spoken about on the web over the last few week was followed up, in the sense that an inquiry was initiated, involving all the Congregations mentioned in the appeal-letter (the CDF, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments) as well as the Congregation for Catholic Education.

4. Nevertheless, the probable ‘breeding ground’ for this questionnaire would be the same one wherein the ideas of Prof. Andrea Grillo [Rorate note: the most famous liberal liturgist in Italy] are formed and spread. It is not by chance that Grillo welcomed  this news with great satisfaction on his Facebook page :

[Translation of Grillo’s  Facebook entries:  “By July all the bishops consulted by the Pope with a questionnaire on Summorum Pontificum. [Is this] the end of the state of exception? Now theologians and liturgists will have to clarify in detail the vices of the state of  liturgical exception.   It will be a precious service.”]

Connecting the reading of this questionnaire with this information, we cannot stifle the fear that it fits the type of surveys that are to deliver an already fabricated result, agreeable to the drafters [of the documents]; and that this result might consist in the “ascertainment” of  the failure of the Motu Proprio (a failure that would be placed on the level of liturgical reconciliation, of the mutual enrichment of the two forms of the Roman Rite, and, above all, on the pastoral level and priestly formation…). 

If all this is so, given that Summorum Pontificum, instead, has gathered together a very vast population of the faithful, and has been a great pastoral and vocational success, we would be dealing here with a colossal mystification of reality, perhaps destined to substantiate a reductive intervention on the scope of Summorum Pontificum, and of a return to the indult method. If not worse…

What can we say in the face of all  this? May the People of Summorum Pontificum make known to those concerned immediately, that if this is the way things really are we are on to them. And the S.P. people will do everything to avoid behaving like the foolish virgins [of the Parable - Mt. 25].

The Editor. 

*a letter signed by some well-known scholars, like Padre Augé and also a significant number of Prof. Grillo’s students  - currently subject to his academic authority.

[Source, in Italian]

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“By July all the bishops consulted by the Pope with a questionnaire on Summorum Pontificum. [Is this] the end of the state of exception? Now theologians and liturgists will have to clarify in detail the vices of the state of liturgical exception. It will be a precious service.”]

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Ping

[Rapscallion]

Article is a complete fake. What used to be “Drudge” is now fake.

[Campion]

Since when is licit liturgical variety a "vice"?

Is it a "vice" that Byzantine Catholics want to attend Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine Rite?

I'm really wondering if I need to write a letter to my bishop.

[irishjuggler]

If your bishop is tradition-friendly, then it may help to write him. On the other hand, if he’s a Bergoglian “liberal,” then a letter may backfire, adding one more exhibit for his dossier of traditionalist malcontents he’ll use as evidence of the need to put Summorum out to pasture. The Catholic left’s attack on the traditional mass is that its existence and the existence of its adherents are “divisive.” It never occurs to them that their “LGBT masses” are divisive. We’re supposed to get on board with and celebrate all their crap.

[Campion]

He’s Bergoglio company man who nevertheless has some friendliness toward tradition, if that makes any sense.

[Hieronymus]

It’s on Rorate, not Drudge, and through one of their regulars.

[MurphsLaw]

“wherefore by their fruits you shall know them”

It’s painfully obvious the lack of honesty and authenticity these prelates exhibit going about their modernizing- watering down agenda. They could give a rats rump about the abysmal Novus worship attendance (low 20s% in U.S.- low teens% in Europe)..... but no !! it’s the EF travesty they must convene about and rectify ..... that’s the real culprit.....
they have been semi successful in trashing the traditional pious Seminarian orders around the globe ... its time... so let’s go in for the kill shot for the evil Tridentine... It’s disgusting... they think their lack of faith will save them..
though they have forgotten how Christ did in fact curse the empty fig tree..

[piusv]

What does it matter when the Latin Mass anywhere in the Novus Ordo church is merely the “extraordinary form”?

[Campion]

What does that question even mean?

[piusv]

Not sure why it doesn’t make sense. Why would getting in touch with your bishop matter when the Latin Mass is merely the extraordinary form and “permitted” in the Novus Ordo church? It is not the ordinary form. The Mass of Ages, the Catholic mass, needs permission in the Vatican II church. Think about that. Just as Ratzinger gave the permission, so can Bergoglio take it away.

[Campion]

The Tridentine Mass "needed permission" to be promulgated in the first place. You might as well ask why the Sarum Rite or the Durham Rite or the Nidaros Use "require permission," which permission was withdrawn by Pius V in Quo Primum.

My point is that the rulers of the Church have the same right to promulgate and suppress liturgy that Pius V had to promulgate and suppress liturgy in the 16th Century. You don't have to agree with the action, or like it, or anything else like that, you can oppose it, etc.: it remains their right to do so. You can't grant to Pius V a power that you refuse to grant to any other validly reigning Pope.

[piusv]

Any changes that Pius V made were accidental, not substantive. His liturgy was still Catholic. The Novus Ordo so-called "ordinary rite" is not. And if it is Catholic, then why the need/permission for the Tridentine/Latin Mass? Just "preference"?

And...if you believe that Pius V had every right to do that, then why do you think that the Vatican II popes prior to the "permission" given by BXVI (and the one after him) can't take the TLM away? Why write your bishop complaining about it if you recognize that popes have this right?

The problem goes deeper than the Novus Ordo liturgy, the suppression of the TLM by the post-Vatican II papal claimants, the "permission" of the TLM by Ratzinger, and the inevitable suppression of the TLM again by Bergoglio or his successor (which will probably be Bergoglio on steroids).