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Concerning the coin in the anatomical right eye : the placing of coins over the eyes of the deceased was a long-time heathen practice. It was to provide the dead with a means to pay the boatman for the crossing of the River Styx. Now, why in the foggy blue morning would ANY follower of Christ do something so demonic? Read Matt. 22:21 - this is an account of Christ’s response to whether or not it was lawful to pay taxes to the Roman Empire. Spoiler alert : Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s. Placing coins with Pontius Pilate’s inscription on Christ’s eyes is indisputably Satanic in nature. The Biblical account of the discovery of the empty tomb speaks of the shroud and the napkin but curiously does NOT mention any coins ( see John 20:1-7 ). You might think such an important RELIC would merit a comment .. . May God bless you all.


46 posted on 03/15/2020 6:46:25 PM PDT by Spaceman49
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Concerning the coin in the anatomical right eye : the placing of coins over the eyes of the deceased was a long-time heathen practice. It was to provide the dead with a means to pay the boatman for the crossing of the River Styx. Now, why in the foggy blue morning would ANY follower of Christ do something so demonic? Read Matt. 22:21 - this is an account of Christ’s response to whether or not it was lawful to pay taxes to the Roman Empire. Spoiler alert : Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s. Placing coins with Pontius Pilate’s inscription on Christ’s eyes is indisputably Satanic in nature. The Biblical account of the discovery of the empty tomb speaks of the shroud and the napkin but curiously does NOT mention any coins ( see John 20:1-7 ). You might think such an important RELIC would merit a comment .. . May God bless you all.

Cultural appropriation. . . or the Romans and the Greeks just used that myth as an explanation of why THEY did the same thing for practical reasons as well. Who wants to look at a body with dead staring eyes? It's a practice performed by every culture in the world, which use something to keep the eyes closed in death. We now sew the eyes of the dead closed.

There is a lot about Jesus' burial and ressurrection that is not detailed in the Bible. It is not a coroner's inquest document. There are only about 65 verses or so that describe the entire burial and resurrection in the tomb. There is not much detail to cover everything they did in preparing the body for burial, so don't assume you know what they did or did not do based on the summary description provided in the gospels which says "as is the custom of the Jews." You don't know what the custom of the Jews of that period was.

You are entitled to an opinion, but your facts are just wrong.

It is an archaeological fact that such coins have been found in the eye sockets of 1st Century Jewish burials in Jerusalem. Some were Temple Coins, some were Greek Coins, some Roman, some skulls merely had clay disks or potsherds. Ergo, it was done by those burying the dead.

For first Century Jews it had nothing to do with paying the mythical ferryman at the River Styx, but completely practical for their burial practices which required they keep the eyes closed. They coins had nothing to do with a religious offering. The purpose was to keep the eyes closed in death. Small coins were convenient weights that would do the job. It was the practice until the mid 2nd Century when the prominent Rabbi Rabban Gamaliel put a stop to extravagant burial practices and standardized such things, including limiting the practice of buying expensively fine and fancy linen shrouds, requiring everyone, rich and poor alike, be buried in a simple linen shroud. After that, clay disks or potsherds were the rule for the eyes.

Incidentally, before you argue against full sheet shrouds in biblical times, numerous full shrouds have been found in Jewish burials in Jerusalem and surrounding cemeteries from the first century AD. It WAS the practice as the "Jews buried there dead" contrary to what people think. They did not bind them up in bandages ala the Egyptian mummies. Jews buried their dead minimally, because a year later it was required to collect the bones and put them either into an ossuary box or pit with the bones of their ancestors.

"South of the Old City of Jerusalem, located on the periphery of the village of Silwan, is one of Jerusalem’s richest concentrations of rock-hewn tombs. It was one of the main burial Necropolis during the Second Temple period, (538 BC until 70 AD) and as such, gives us knowledge of the Jewish burial customs during the time of Jesus.

Tombs at Silwan [11]

Linen shrouds have been discovered there at burials sites dating from the Roman period. They have also been found at ‘En Gedi, Gesher Haziv, and Jericho. Imprints of textiles were found on bones and skulls; the material used was identified as linen because of an equal number of threads in the warp and the weft.

Other types of fabric were also found—the most common being wool—but linen was found more in Israel than in other Roman areas.

Shrouds were specially-prepared or freshly laundered cloths made for the purpose of wrapping a corpse. The Hebrew word for these burial shrouds, takrikim, connotes wrapping and binding more than dressing. This is also indicated by Tractate Semahot: “Man may wrap and bind men but not women, but women may wrap and bind both men and women”. [12]

(In preparation for burial, the corpse was also ‘dressed’ with spices and incense placed underneath or upon the shroud. Under normal conditions, a year after burial, the bones were removed to an ossuary.)

Burial clothes at the time of Jesus consisted of at least three parts; a head cloth, the long rectangular shroud itself, and however many strips of cloth were needed to bind them in place. These pieces were arranged in layers (when the body was wrapped). They have been found stuck together by body fluids and decay so that it is impossible to separate them without causing damage, but there is no doubt about their composition.

Shrouds and their accompanying burial cloths were found at Nahal David and Ze’elim. The best preserved shrouds are from Roman-period ‘En Gedi (2nd-1st centuries BC). They were found in eight Jewish tombs on the southern bank of Nahal ‘Arugot and in one tomb on the northern bank of Nahal David. Over 70 fragments assumed to be shroud remnants have also been found at En Gedi.

So the idea that the Shroud does not comport with Jewish Burial customs just doesn't agree with actual Jewish burials customs. What it doesn't agree with is modern day mis-interpretations of Jewish burial customs which are constructed out of mistranslations of the Bible into English from the Greek using close, but inaccurate tertiary definitions of Greek words that were not then in common first century usage but which were perhaps easier to convey meaning to Reformation English speakers, the then recent discoveries of mummies in Egypt and the confabulation of those burial practices with those mistranslations (which came first, chicken or egg?), and popular tourist visits to the Middle East. An example of a mistranslated word would be "Sudarion" (Greek: sweat cloth) into the English word "Napkin" or in another translation "Handkerchief," or "Othonia" (Greek: Linen cloth) into English words "bandages" which is a fourth definition in Greek used only in war literature. The JEWISH researchers on the Shroud have repeatedly stated that Jews never buried their dead the way skeptics kept claiming, wrapped up in bandages. Nor did true Biblical scholars who read the Gospels in the original Greek and do a true exegesis.

Again, we are talking discovered facts, not opinion.

49 posted on 03/15/2020 7:55:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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