Posted on 01/14/2020 6:48:44 AM PST by Cronos
What's the issue?
Mary is mother of God and of the redeemer is a perfectly theologically correct sentence. Some people might have issue with the former, but they misrepresented the prepositional word "of" as in the mother of "the redeemer" which is contextually the same as saying mother of "Jesus."
Not without some serious qualifiers as regards to Who God is.
The wording of the CCC is in error as God does not have a mom.
Christ is the Redeemer.
God includes the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The CCC says Mary is the mother of them all the way it's worded.
“who is the Lord?”
The Bible tells us:
“yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” 1 Cor 8:6
There are plenty of other parts of the Catechism that talk about those qualifiers. The paragraph in CCC 963 cross references CCC 486.
You can read those here. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p2.htm#484
The wording of the CCC is in error as God does not have a mom.
Then how about a more scandalous saying, can you say God died on the cross for our salvation?
Shrug. Jesus said”I AM the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me”.
Kinda settles it. There are not two ways, just one.
Odd. I was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist and was never taught this, even after seven years of church school.
Maybe I wasn’t listening.
486 doesn’t give the qualification.
And when He spoke those words with a Human voice it was Mary who was the source of His human nature correct? It is carefully correct to say that she, "Mary" is the mother of Jesus, correct?
Who is “The Father’s only Son”?
However, the CCC you reference doesn't address the other CCC.
Keep trying.
Mother of Jesus....yes.....Mother of God....no.
When you said qualifiers what were those? Your post didn’t explain. There were literally tons of cross references to CCC 963.
Was your problem that it wasn’t saying that Mary was the mother of second person of the Trinity? Was your problem with reference to Jesus as the incarnation of God?
Please clarify.
And the big question for all ages is this. Who is Jesus?
Yes, Mary provided the vessel, the womb via which the Man, Jesus was born, conceived by the Spirit of God Almighty, as was foretold by the prophets..
God chose her out of thousands of Hebrew girls. She was “full of God’s unmerited favor (grace)”.
What does that have to do with this topic?
Pagan/the one True and Living God
Peter sums it up correctly.
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16
The Bible is very clear who Jesus is; He is God Incarnate. God in the flesh. God “with skin on”.
Because of the necessary statement of faith that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins has the same value as God experiencing death for our salvation.
The atonement of Jesus on the cross was not merely the atonement of a nice man. Such an atonement cannot have the value to forgive all the sins of humanity.
If it is possible to say God died on the cross it is much less scandalous to say that God was born from a mother. The motherhood of Mary is directly connected to the extreme unity of the fully divine and human dual natures of Jesus in one person.
So God is merely wearing the skin of a human being, inside is He just spirit?
Peter is correct.
Since Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, it follows that Mary is the Mother of God under the condition that we properly understand that the incarnation of Jesus as both Fully God and Fully man was a statement that necessitates a communication between the two natures. For example:
Jesus walked on water, God walked on water.
Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, God died on the cross and rose from the dead.
Jesus had to have a Mother, hence God had to have a Mother.
Motherhood does not imply that Mary is the source of the divine nature. Theotokos itself means bearer of God.
Actually, angels are lower than man, because the Bible says they are. And they are sent to minister to the heirs of salvation, that is, us.
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