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To: Gamecock

How do you have faith without works?

If you receive a gift, aren’t you expected to accept it (a work)? Baptism (a work) is the initial acceptance of God’s salvation.

Should we not pray to God and follow His Commandments? (works)

Do you not accept that God may say “He does not know you?”


21 posted on 01/07/2020 12:56:38 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; Gamecock
If you receive a gift, aren’t you expected to accept it (a work)? Baptism (a work) is the initial acceptance of God’s salvation.

Baptism that is inflicted on a more often then not sleeping infant?

They have no choice in the matter.

If baptism saves, then Jesus died for nothing. All people have to do is get dunked or splashed, or whatever your preferred method is.

23 posted on 01/07/2020 1:03:18 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM; Gamecock
Should we not pray to God and follow His Commandments? (works)

Baptism that is inflicted on a more often then not sleeping infant?

Sure we should but not to get saved and not to stay saved.

The pharisees were up to their eyeballs in works but they were hell bound.

God doesn't care so much about outward actions as the inward heart and while saving faith affects an inward heart change, doing good works cannot.

24 posted on 01/07/2020 1:07:21 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM; metmom

My works are but filthy rags. (The Bible says so)

Also: Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. (Which is what those poeple who Jesus didn’t know are trying to pull.)

Romans 9:32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.


26 posted on 01/07/2020 1:34:05 PM PST by Gamecock (Ironically, the insistence that doctrines do not matter is really a doctrine itself. (TK))
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To: ADSUM
How do you have faith without works?

Saving faith is accompanied by works, as the new life of Christ is expressed.

If you receive a gift, aren’t you expected to accept it (a work)?

No. This is a clear indication you spend time in Scripture and prayer, that God will open your eyes to the Gospel of Grace that can result in salvation.

31 posted on 01/07/2020 1:51:19 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ADSUM; Gamecock
How do you have faith without works? If you receive a gift, aren’t you expected to accept it (a work)? Baptism (a work) is the initial acceptance of God’s salvation.

You continue to muddle the terms.

52 posted on 01/07/2020 3:17:24 PM PST by ealgeone
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