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Posted on 12/17/2019 8:28:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Update Appended
First, my apology.
I want to apologize to evangelicals for the way I have expressed my opinion about your support of the President.
Throughout my walk with the Lord, I have had a sinful tendency to say things in too harsh of a manner and paint with too dark of a brush. To put it differently, sometimes I’m all stick and no sugar. Unfortunately, my op-eds in the Christian Post (here and here) reflected that. We’ve all heard the expression, “It’s not what you said but how you said it.” In how I expressed my personal opinion about your support of the president, I violated two principles in Scripture, “speaking the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15) and “A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger” (Proverbs 15:1). How I stated my opinion in my previous op-eds was wrong, and I ask you to forgive me.
Second, I want to apologize for getting into an argument with my brother in Christ, Michael Brown. Greg Wynn commented on Michael’s latest op-ed that “The back and forth between these two reminds me of a drawn-out Facebook argument . . .” I got a good belly laugh out of that because, like all things that are humorous, it had a lot of truth to it. So, another mistake I made in my op-eds was to argue with Michael and try to prove to him I’m right. In doing so, I violated the challenge in Isaiah 1:18, “Come now, let us reason together.”
I wasn’t reasoning with you, Michael, I was trying to win an argument. Neither God nor the truth need me to argue with believers. Truth argues for itself, and it sure doesn’t need a lightweight like me running interference for it. God wanted me to reason with you in an iron-sharpening-iron way, not be combative. Michael, being argumentative with you and trying to outscore you in our exchanges was wrong, and I ask you to forgive me.
Finally, and I never anticipated this happening in a million years, President Trump, I want to apologize to you. Calling you evil and saying that you have no redeemable qualities was out of line and inappropriate. While there are evil people in the world, I don’t know if you are one of them and it was arrogant of me to assume that you are. Also, while I believe that there are evil people in the world and that, by definition, they have no redeeming character qualities, I don’t know if that is true of you and it was arrogant of me to assume that you lack any genuine character strengths. I presumed to be judge, jury, and executioner of your soul, something no one, Christian or non-Christian, is ever supposed to do. President Trump, I was wrong to do that, and I ask you to forgive me.
The Bible warns us, “'In your anger do not sin': Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry.” I have clearly violated that important principle in Scripture because I have allowed my anger toward President Trump and the evangelicals who enthusiastically support him to turn into sin. I have let a thousand suns go down on my anger toward both. That is completely and totally about me and my own fallenness, and I take full responsibility for it.
I have let my anger toward the things Trump has done to erode our societal bonds and institutions turn into sin. I have let my anger toward his pathological lying to turn into sin. I have let my anger toward Trump engaging in words and actions that damage the dignity of others turn into sin. I have let my anger toward him not only not draining the swamp but putting a different form of dirty swamp water in its place turn into sin. And, I have let my anger toward Trump being militantly unwilling to face his own fallenness and be truly apologetic for how wounding he is to others turn into sin.
I have let my anger toward my evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ who support the President turn into sin. I have let my anger toward their effusive praise of Trump turn into sin. I have let my anger toward how oblivious some of them are to his glaring weaknesses and defects turn into sin. I have let my anger toward some of them calling those of us who don’t support Trump “spineless morons” and “demonic” turn into sin. I have let my anger toward evangelicals who think that the ends justify the means when it comes to supporting the President turn into sin. And, I have let my anger toward evangelicals who don’t strongly and publicly rebuke the President for his most abhorrent words and actions turn into sin.
Now, my challenge.
President Trump, I challenge you to get a psychiatric evaluation. There are literally thousands of mental health professionals in this country and millions of Americans who have grave concerns that you are mentally ill. Please, if you love the country as much as you say you do, get a mental health evaluation so you can know and we can know whether or not you are mentally fit to run the country. I’m not optimistic you will take me up on this challenge given your lengthy history of running from your defects. I suspect this is why you have never released your taxes after promising to do so and why you forbid people in your administration from testifying about you in the multiple investigations into your presidency. I suspect that you are so afraid of what we will find about you that you will do anything to cover your tracks. I challenge you to prove me and everyone else wrong. Mr. President, undergo a mental health evaluation and stop running from the truth.
Evangelicals who support Trump, I challenge you to spend time between now and the 2020 election reading and viewing other sources of input on the President than what you turn to on a regular basis. Specifically, I challenge you to read Dr. Bandy Lee’s excellent book, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. If you can’t read the whole book, at least read the following chapters: “Unbridled and Extreme Present Hedonism: How the Leader of the Free World Has Proven Time and Again He is Unfit for Duty” by Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., and Rosemary Sword; “Pathological Narcissism and Politics: A Lethal Mix” by Craig Malkin, Ph.D.; “Sociopathy” by Lance Dodes, M.D.; “Donald Trump Is: (A) Bad, (B) Mad, (C) All of the Above” by John Gartner, Ph.D.; and “Why ‘Crazy Like a Fox’ versus ‘Crazy Like a Crazy’ Really Matters: Delusional Disorder, Admiration of Brutal Dictators, the Nuclear Codes, and Trump” by Michael Tansey, Ph.D.. These mental health experts are not a bunch of left-wing liberals. They are experts in the mental health field who are deeply concerned about the mental and moral fitness of our president to lead this great nation and how dangerous he is to not only our country but the world at large.
I would also challenge you to read everything you can get your hands on that Peter Wehner has written (including his latest book, The Death of Politics) and view his interviews on cable television shows. Peter Wehner is a Christian and conservative Republican and one of the first to publicly oppose Trump. I want to share one of his quotes with you, this coming from his September 9, 2019, Op-Ed in The Atlantic entitled, “Trump Is Not Well”:
“Donald Trump’s disordered personality—his unhealthy patterns of thinking, functioning, and behaving—has become the defining characteristic of his presidency. It manifests itself in multiple ways: his extreme narcissism; his addiction to lying about things large and small, including his finances and bullying and silencing those who could expose them; his detachment from reality, including denying things he said even when there is video evidence to the contrary; his affinity for conspiracy theories; his demand for total loyalty while showing none to others; and his self-aggrandizement and petty cheating.
It manifests itself in Trump’s impulsiveness and vindictiveness, his craving for adulation, his misogyny, predatory sexual behavior, and sexualization of his daughters; his open admiration for brutal dictators; his remorselessness; and his lack of empathy and sympathy, including attacking a family whose son died while fighting for this country, mocking a reporter with a disability, and ridiculing a former POW.”
If after reading Dr. Lee’s book and the writings of Peter Wehner, you still believe Trump is worthy of your support, then nothing I or anyone else could say is going to dissuade you. You have already made up your mind about Trump, that he is in the “good category” and going to help this country become “great again.” I believe just the opposite is true. That’s my opinion, and I’m sticking to it.
I am a Christian and a conservative. As both, I am going to go to my grave convinced that Donald Trump is, objectively, a severely mentally and morally disturbed individual, unfit to hold the office of the presidency, only going to get worse over time, and that we must remove him from office by any legal means possible — the 25th Amendment, articles of impeachment, or the general election — and find another Republican candidate to run in 2020.
This is my final op-ed, at least the last one where I allow my anger toward the president and evangelicals who support him to turn into sin. Given some of your reactions to what I have written previously, I would imagine many of you are saying, “Good riddance — don’t let the screen door hit you in the rear end on your way out!” I want to say, again, that I am truly sorry for the way I said what I did to you. Sadly, I forgot that “speaking the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15), “A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger” (Proverbs 15:1), and “Come now, let us reason together” (Isaiah 1:18) are biblical principles that apply to me just as much as they do to you. In doing so, I was being hypocritical. I failed to take the plank out of my own eye first while presuming to take the plank out of yours. Please forgive me.
“Come now, let us reason together” (Isaiah 1:18).
I hope as we head toward the 2020 election that this verse will be the one that guides our interactions with each other as evangelicals and that we will speak firm yet gentle words that build up and encourage each other rather than denigrate and dismiss each other. We are all in this together, we love this country, and we don’t want any enemy, foreign or domestic, to harm our democracy. Let’s co-labor together to that end.
Update: Michael Brown sent the following response to CP.
Dr. Thurman, I accept your apology from the heart, and at no time did I take our interaction personally. We are brothers in the Lord, and this incident will only serve to bring us closer. And all that I wrote, I wrote with a spirit of reconciliation, and at all times in pursuit of God’s wisdom for this hour. As for your challenge, be assured that, just as I have close friends who are in full support of President Trump, I have others who question his fitness to be in office. May the Lord’s best be done for our President, for our country, and above, for His Church, and may He bless you for your humility.
Chris Thurman, Ph.D., is a psychologist and author of The Lies We Believe.
psychiatry / psychology / alchemy
No kidding, passive aggressive. When is an apology really a kick to the knees?
To me this was a very long
“I am sorry for how I said it, not what I said.”
With a side of I will say t again.
This wasn’t an apology at all but an underhanded way to continue to bash President Trump and his supporters.
Using Scripture to justify this garbage is awful.
May God grant Chris true understanding and contrition.
Dr. Thurman, Thank you for your non-apology apology. I accept it in the spirit it was given.
Let us reason together. As long as you would support any abortion-loving Democrat over Trump, then you are morally unfit to lecture even a Mafia don on what God expects of his children.
Donald Trump has faults, as do we all. But I do not follow him spiritually any more than you do. I approve of his policies, and nothing else matters.
So do yourself, and all of us, a favor. Stop picking at the mote in DJT’s eye, and examine the beam in your own. And as I am rather angry at you for your persistence in this matter, I will try to do the same.
Oh my god what a dishonest prick!
This whole fake “apology” is just like Nancy Pelosi saying because she’s catholic she is above hating Trump. All that does is make her a hater AND a liar.
Boiled down, the guy says “Sorry I assumed you were evil President Trump. I don’t know for a fact that you are evil. But please get a psychiatric evaluation.”
What a pathetic putz! ‘I apologize. You are scum, but it wasn’t nice of me to say so!’
“I believe that there are evil people in the world and that, by definition, they have no redeeming character qualities...”
If that is true, it is extremely rare. For the most part: “The best have some bad in them and the worst have some good in them.” I have an extremely low opinion of Barack Obama, but he probably loves his daughters. I don’t think I’ve EVER met someone with “no redeeming character qualities”.
The guy’s TDS overwhelms any Christian urges he might have. He needs to turn off the TV, stop watching MSNBC and reflect on the Word of God. Which would be good advice to anyone who watches MSNBC.
“I see exactly the flawed man in the White House in front of my equally flawed self and I’m thankful to God that He blessed us with that flawed man in the White House instead of the evil woman who aspired to it.”
AMEN!
Maybe he thinks that the Democrat field of candidates is WONderful.
Me too AMEN!
“Evangelicals who support Trump, I challenge you to spend time between now and the 2020 election reading and viewing other sources of input on the President than what you turn to on a regular basis.”
Dear Mr. Thurman,
You have no credibility to be passing out advice to anyone.
Go get a real job for ten year and come back with some recommendations from peers, bosses, customers, etc. Then maybe you’ll have something worthwhile to listen to.
Other than that, anyone on this forum has more credibility to hand out advice on President Trump than you.
Piece of filth!
Pathetic piece of filth!
Agreed.
Self-righteous jerk. He is not fooling anyone, and his asking for forgiveness is hollow and corrupt. At first, he sounds repentant, but then he says what he REALLY wants -— accusing President Trump of all manner of sins, then “in love” (HA!), telling him to get a psych evaluation. A more bitter and self-righteous article, I have never read. Shame on you, Chris Thurman!
I’m tired of rumored serial pedophile Chris Thurman of attacking our President.
Wolf in sheep’s clothing propaganda.
Despite the claims to be a conservative, he truly can’t be, from how he looks at things. And considering he’s dishonest in claiming to be so, and isn’t a conservative, and seems to hold up unbelievers as righteous, it’s doubtful he’s a genuine Christian as well.
I challenge you to look into your own soul and tell us what you see. It will do you good to get the demon(s) out and purify yourself.
You are a liar and an evil person. Satan has hold of you and you are trying to lead the world astray. It isn’t your flawed nature to say thing in a harsh manner, it is your misguided attempt to lead Christians astray from one of the only Presidents in rennet history that support our Christian faith.
your an evil person as is the magazine that supports you. I will never read the Christian Post again. Overtaken by evil
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