Posted on 12/14/2019 7:49:15 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
The Magoi are in the Old Testament.
I am interested in , please point to it.
Good try but no soup for you. I will not be a straight man for your try at legitimizing the imaginary peoples from Joe Smith’s mind and the manuscript he stole from a printer.
“Good try but no soup for you”
Does that also mean i should stop reading “Unlocking The Secreats of the Feasts”
O.K. hide behind the word scientists that know what God meant.
When you are ready to share without being offended i will listen.
I hope you are predestined to learn not to be offended.
They are, found as such in the Septuagint, all in the boook of Daniel.
The poster is a Mormon hoping to make a wedge into which he/she can inject the mythos of Joe Smith.
Dan 7:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed
There dose come a time for the word scientists, they can help, just help, get all the “him”s figured out.
You do not have the power to offend me, Mormon. Your false religion is offense enough.
Maybe, but so is "paradise" a word borrowed from Farsi and made a part of the Greek language, used three times in the NT (Lk. 23:43, 2 Cor. 12:4, Rev. 2:7). None of these have anything to so with Persia. Regarding the Hellenic use of the word "Magos/Magoi":
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Strong's Number G3097
μάγος
magos
mag'-os
Strong's Definition
Of foreign origin [H7248]; a Magian, that is, Oriental scientist; by implication a magician: - sorcerer, wise man.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
Thayer's Definition:
1) a magus
. . 1a) the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
. . 1b) the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him
. . 1c) a false prophet and sorcerer
Part of Speech: noun masculine
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Magos is a Greek word also. Because of their extensive contact with Mideastern Asians in warfare and in administering Alexanders conquests, they adopted the word and Hellenized it into "Magos" (Magoi is the plural form). So has the English language its Anglicized form "magician." But thus because someone is called a magician or a magus (in Latin) doesn't mean that one is referring to a person of Persian descent. Because Jesus told the thief, "Today you will be with me in Paradise" (a Persian word for a protected garden of recreation) didn't mean that He would take the thief to Persia for a vacation.
Examples of "magos"
"And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcererμαγος, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus: . . ." (Acts 12:6 AV)
Bar Jesus was a Jew, not a Persian, though he practiced magic.
"But Elymas the sorcererμαγος (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith" (Acts 13:8 AV).
The term "Elymas" was a foreign word (not Persian) describing the person's occupation as a wizard, Magos being another name for it. He was not a Persian, either. Both of these guys were on the Greek island Paphos, far away from Persia or Anatolia.
Thus for Levi to use the Greek word "Magos" (plural magoi, as found in Matthew) did not at all necessarily mean that these "wise men" came from Persia. A wise man from Anatolia would, in a Greek-speaking culture, be titled "Magos," as one can gather from Thayer's better, more detailed lexicon.
This noun of Farsi origin was also turned into a verb:
"But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorceryμαγευων, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:" (Acts 8:9 AV).
This guy was a Samaritan person, and Peter had to go and reprimand him.
So, claiming the Magoi to necessarily be from Persia would be a sort of "iffy" proposition, not wholly supported by history, culture, or Scripture, not an unarguable exegesis of the Wise men story.
Yeah, I remember.
“Because Jesus told the thief, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (a Persian word for a protected garden of recreation) didn’t mean that He would take the thief to Persia for a vacation.”
Since Jesus did not go to heaven before His resurrection, where do you say He went for the three days?
We teach of a place called Spirit Prision, a part of the spirit world, where the spirits of mankind wait to reunite with their their physical bodies in the Resurrection.
Indeed you do; am interested in , please point to it in your Scriptures?
Can we read what your feelings are about this?
If this is where you are; then ANY direction you go would be south!
I only used this citstion to show that the word of one culture was borrowed from another culture, not to get into a doctrinal debate on an issue not relevant to the point being made. At this point, I am not going to waste my time refuting a minor point of a wholr belief system that I deem false.
No matter, have a good day, or night I guess.
“Indeed you do; am interested in , please point to it in your Scriptures? “
Not off the top of my head, remind me another time and I will look it up.
Don’t you follow one of the creeds that say something about Jesus going to hell before rising to His resurrection?
Look it up now.
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