Posted on 11/13/2019 9:59:30 AM PST by Salvation
What I posted was in context and crystal clear in meaning....for those with an ear willing to hear.
Parsing the bible is not posting in full-next.
You may not know it, but Catholics do know the Bible.
And neither “sola scriptura”, nor “sola fides” is in the Bible.
Roman Catholics may know what the Bible is.... but the majority are sorely lacking in understanding the Bible. There is a difference.
That’s because they have to have a priest explain it to them - even when it goes against the plain meaning of the text.
“That Roman Catholicism allows and even encourages the Brown Scapular is true.”
It is not a way to Salvation. You stated that previously and were incorrect.
“Faith in Christ, and only Christ, is the only way for salvation.”
Yep. Accepted Catholic belief and Truth.
It is not a way to Salvation. You stated that previously and were incorrect.
I stated what the apparition claimed. Those who wear the Brown Scapular will avoid the eternal fire.
What you are referring to is private revelation. Catholics are only bound to follow Church teaching on Public Revelation.
If we are not bound by this, it certainly cannot be part of any salvation.
Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and His teachings.
We have The Trinity as Believers in common. We should respect this, despite our other doctrinal differences.
Jesus Christ is The Way !
This belief has been sanctioned and allowed by several popes.
Further, there are several Roman Catholic writers from the 1500s to 1700s that say salvation is only found in Mary and that Mary is necessary for salvation.
Are you prepared to say these are all wrong?
Further, would you agree that anyone trusting in the Brown Scapular or any other idol such as the Miraculous Medal have departed from the faith and are not Heaven bound?
I agree that salvation is found through faith in Christ...and only faith in Christ.
This is rare to hear a Roman Catholic say this.
Well, you would have to cite the Catechism to support your point, on a number of topics.
No Catholic believes that wearing a Brown Scapular gives you Salvation. If they do, they are in error.
The belief has not been sanctioned and allowed by any Popes. It is possible that partial text might improperly support this, but a full reading will prove otherwise.
Catholics who believe that Mary can give them Salvation would be incorrect. I’m sure you have incorrectly read something that may have incorrectly stated such.
That is not in accordance with Catholic Belief, so you must have misinterpreted something.
Our Salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. No other Savior is possible. We have one God and one Faith.
That's been my contention all along.
The belief has not been sanctioned and allowed by any Popes. It is possible that partial text might improperly support this, but a full reading will prove otherwise.
Pope Pius XI: “In consideration of the munificent goodness of the heavenly Mother towards her children, it surely ought to be sufficient merely to exhort those who belong to the Scapular Confraternity to persevere in the holy exercises which have been prescribed for the gaining of the indulgences to which they are entitled.”
Pope Pius XII: “All Carmelites, whether they live in the cloisters of the First or Second Orders or are members of the Third Order or of the Confraternities, belong to the same family of our Most Blessed Mother and are attached to it by a special bond of love. May they all see in this keepsake of the Virgin herself a mirror of humility and purity; may they read in the very simplicity of the Garment a concise lesson in modesty and simplicity; above all, may they behold in this same Garment, which they wear day and night, the eloquent expressive symbol of their prayers for divine assistance.”
Pope John XXIII: He spoke “of the Mother of God who is honored in this Church of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. Devotion to her becomes a necessity; towards Our Lady of Mount Carmel we are drawn with a most tender, yet irresistible, attraction.”
Pope Paul VI, speaking of Marian devotions, especially of the Scapular, says “Let the faithful hold in high esteem the practices and devotions to the Blessed Virgin approved by the teaching authority of the Church. It is Our conviction that the Rosary of Mary and the Scapular of Carmel are among these recommended practices. The Scapular is a practice of piety, which by its very simplicity is suited to everyone.”
https://www.sistersofcarmel.com/brown-scapular-information.php
No attainment of Salvation is granted for wearing a Brown Scapular.
Silliness.
I agree with that....yet that is the false promise of the apparition that many Roman Catholics have bought.
Not going to read the whole catechism. What’s the point?
No point. That’s where you will find out what Catholics really believe.
...and it’s just 1 page.
I'll stick to the Scriptures. There you can find out what Christians really believe.
And in those Scriptures you will not find anything supporting the wearing of a Brown Scapular to avoid the eternal fire.
You will find verses condemning idolatry though.
Yes. Everything in Catholic teaching is supported with Scripture.
Nope.
The Immaculate Conception is not found in Scripture per the Catholic Encyclopedia.
I quote:
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm
That's just one example of Roman Catholic teaching not found in Scripture.
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
Here's what it says about the passage from Luke 1:28 RCs incorrectly say proves the IC:
But the term kecharitomene (full of grace) serves only as an illustration, not as a proof of the dogma.
Regarding the other texts RCs appeal to the CE says this:
These passages, applied to the Mother of God, may be readily understood by those who know the privilege of Mary, but do not avail to prove the doctrine dogmatically, and are therefore omitted from the Constitution "Ineffabilis Deus".
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm
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