[moonhawk]

Right... so, Jess lied when he said his Church would stand forever? It died, and then ML came along and resurrected it? There was no Church for 1500 years?

I don’t think so.

[wbarmy]

so, Jess lied when he said his Church would stand forever?

1. Who is this Jess you are talking about?

2. There was always a remnant, even under Catholic pressure to keep the Scripture out of layman hands.

3. The "Church" is all those who believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Creator. Not a man made shell of priestly elites.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Rome and Constantinople had nothing to do with the Church or anything Christian. Martin Luther was just a marginal improvement. Henry VIII was ridiculous. Don’t look to human leaders. They are all corrupt.