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Vatican’s former doctrine head: Ban on female deacons, priests an infallible Catholic ‘dogma’
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| October 3, 2019
| Maike HIckson
Posted on 10/03/2019 9:53:31 AM PDT by ebb tide
Vaticans former doctrine head: Ban on female deacons, priests an infallible Catholic dogma
October 3, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) The Vaticans former head of the congregation tasked with preserving the Catholic Churchs doctrine from error has stated that its an infallible teaching of the Church that must be held by all the faithful that women cannot receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders in each of its three degrees deacon, priest, bishop.
Cardinal Gerhard Müller, former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stated that its an error for anyone who claims to be Catholic to demand from the upcoming Amazon Synod (beginning in Rome on Sunday, Oct. 6) that it must rule that the Sacrament of Holy Orders in its first degree, the diaconate may also be validly administered to women.
The Cardinal, in a statement to LifeSiteNews (published in full below), said that it is certainly without doubt that Saint John Paul IIs 1994 teaching on the impossibility of women receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders in each of the three degrees is a dogma of the Faith of the Catholic Church.
John Paul II declared in his 1994 apostolic letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.
Stated Cardinal Müller: It is certainly without doubt, however, that this definitive decision from Pope John Paul II is indeed a dogma of the Faith of the Catholic Church and that this was of course the case already before this Pope defined this truth as contained in Revelation in the year 1994.
The impossibility that a woman validly receives the Sacrament of Holy Orders in each of the three degrees is a truth contained in Revelation and it is thus infallibly confirmed by the Church's Magisterium and presented as to be believed, he added.
Cardinal Müller made this comment in reaction to a recent claim made by Bishop Erwin Kräutler, one of the key organizers of the Amazon Synod, that John Paul II's teaching about the impossibility of female priests was not a dogma.
But, even if the Pope explained at the time that 'all the faithful of the Church are definitely to hold this decision,' it is nevertheless not a dogma, Bishop Kräutler stated in an interview with Blickpunkt Lateinamerika, the journal of the German relief agency Adveniat a group which heavily funded the preparations for the upcoming Synod. Kräutler also stated in the same interview that the Amazon Synod must allow a female diaconate.
The Amazon Synod's controversial working document proposes to identify the type of official ministry that can be conferred on women, taking into account the central role which women play today in the Amazonian Church (14). But the participants of one preparatory meeting for the Amazon Synod among them Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, the Secretary General of the Synod of Bishops explicitly called for the allowance of female deacons.
In this sense, we propose that their leadership be recognized, promoting various ministerial forms of exercising service and authority, and in particular, that reflection on the female diaconate be taken up again in the perspective of Vatican II (cf. LG 29, AG 16 IL 129 c2), the participants wrote.
Cardinal Müller goes on in his statement to explain in detail that not every dogma of the Catholic Church needs to be formally declared as such.
When it comes to a dogma, one has to differentiate between the substantive and the formal side. The revealed truth which is being expressed in it and whose denial is being sanctioned with an anathema sit or which is being pronounced 'ex cathedra' by the Pope alone does not therefore depend upon the external form of the definition, he stated. The Creed is such an example.
Next to this doctrinal question, the German prelate also addressed the current activities of Catholic progressives and their manipulations happening within the Church.
After mentioning the fact that today some theologians, and even bishops, question the infallibility of John Paul II's 1994 declaration, Cardinal Müller goes on to discuss the current problem that, under the pontificate of Pope Francis, there seems to be a growing number of theologians who desire to promote a sort of ecclesial absolutism.
Some people, he stated, being themselves factionists, misinterpret in an ideological fashion the dogma of the primacy of jurisdiction and of the infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals; and they turn these dogmas into a heretofore-unseen ecclesial absolutism, as if also outside of questions of faith and morals the Pope could properly demand 'religious submission of mind and will with regard to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff' (Lumen Gentium 25).
These people, according to Müller, pretend that there is, next to the Word of God, an additional source of Revelation, either in the Pope or in the People of God, to whom the Shepherds should listen. Thus, man would be placed above God's Revelation. Such new sources [of proposed revelation], they say, would allow us to go beyond Scripture and Tradition and even to know better than the heretofore Magisterium as to what Jesus really had meant and what He would now say were He alive today.
Without explicitly saying so, Cardinal Müller may have been referring to the working document of the Amazon Synod which claims with reference to the Amazon region that territory is a theological place where faith is lived, and also a particular source of Gods revelation: epiphanic places where the reserve of life and wisdom for the planet is manifest, a life and wisdom that speaks of God (19).
In the context of this false ecclesial papalism and erroneous teachings on the sources of Revelation, Cardinal Müller also pointed to the shocking dilettantism in today's theology, but also to the brutal contempt of man that is to be found in Church politics. He who has an independent mind, he explained, is being mercilessly taken out and discarded in an inhuman way without taking into consideration his achievements for the Church and theology.
True unity in the Church cannot be achieved by using such methods.
But the unity in the truth can only be received from God in prayer, and it can only be realized in the obedience of the Magisterium toward God and His Revelation, but it cannot be reached by manipulations, nor with the help of violence and deceit, he stated.
With these words, Cardinal Müller noted that changes to the Church's teachings go along with manipulations and deceit, and they do not foster unity. The Magisterium has to obey God and His Revelation. In this context, the German cardinal stated that in theology, theological and philosophical arguments are what counts.
The truth is not a function serving political and ideological claims to power, he added.
The prelate highlighted that the recent methods of manipulations come from the progressivist camp.
And this popular trick of our progressivists has been understood for a long time and thus rendered ineffective. Namely, they use personal attacks, instead of putting forward for discussion their substantive arguments, and they help themselves in their embarrassment with the help of absurd insinuations that lack any intellectual honesty, he stated.
For Modernism, the Cardinal explained, a dogma of the Catholic Faith is not the definitive and irreversible insight of the Church that a truth is contained in Revelation and therefore needs to be accepted by each Catholic 'with divine and Catholic Faith,' but it is, rather, an expression of the dominant opinion which has gained, with the help of journalistic strategies, the authority of the Pope who then happens to be reigning.
These modernists now wish to turn the ecclesial loyalty of each Catholic toward the Pope into an unconditional submission under this one man and into a senseless sacrificium intellectus. But this ideological camp does not realize that they undermine, with their politicization of the papal authority, the theological foundation of the Petrine Office. Catholics are not anymore to believe in God, but in the Pope, whom the mainstream ideologues inside and outside the Church present as 'their Pope.'
Cardinal Müller warned against those who politicize this papacy. He said that Catholics must remain loyal to God's teachings, even if Church leaders fail at being good shepherds. The Cardinal pointed out that the obedience of faith
by which man commits his whole self freely to God, offering the full submission of the intellect and of the will to God who reveals (Dei Verbum 5), can never apply to a human being even if it be the Pope or a bishop.
The authority of Church leaders, Cardinal Müller added, is merely deduced and in its substance completely and totally dependent upon God's authority, 'because they do not receive any new public revelation as part of the depositum fidei' (Lumen Gentium 25).
With these words, the Cardinal provides Catholics with a guide that helps them to know where the limits of papal authority lie so that they can properly orient themselves in the confusing times the Church is now facing. In this context, he outlined the Incident at Antioch where St. Paul contradicted St. Peter to his face (Gal. 2:11) on account of Peter, the first Pope, falling into error.
The Cardinal ended his statement with a pledge of loyalty to the Pope.
We Catholics are, without exception, loyal to Pope Francis and to the bishops in communion with him. This is the essence of the mandate of the Pope, that he assembles again and again anew the disciples and that he unites them in the profession of St. Peter who, when asked by Jesus what people think Who He is, makes the profession of the Church of all ages: You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God (Mt. 16, 16). And this he said without paying attention to the fickle opinions of the people, he stated.
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Full statement of Cardinal Gerhard Müller on the 'impossibility' of female ordination
October 3, 2019
The demand that the Amazon Synod must rule that the Sacrament of Holy Orders in its first degree, the diaconate may also be validly administered to women, contains several errors.
The first error consists of the opinion that the Magisterium stands above Revelation and that a synod of bishops (with merely a consultative character), an ecumenical council, or the Pope alone could alter the substance of the sacraments (Council of Trent, Decree on Communion under both species, DH 1728).
The second error lies in the opinion that the Sacrament of Holy Orders really consists of three Sacraments, so that one has accordingly to decide whether the declaration Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (1994) merely applies to the ordination degree of the bishop, or of the presbyter (= the priest), or of the deacon.
The third error consists of misleading a theologically uninformed public by putting forth the thesis that the definitive decision of Pope John Paul II, namely that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful (OS 4), is not a dogma.
It is certainly without doubt, however, that this definitive decision from Pope John Paul II is indeed a dogma of the Faith of the Catholic Church and that this was of course the case already before this Pope defined this truth as contained in Revelation in the year 1994. The impossibility that a woman validly receives the Sacrament of Holy Orders in each of the three degrees is a truth contained in Revelation and it is thus infallibly confirmed by the Church's Magisterium and presented as to be believed.
Upon the request of the doctrinal commission of the German Bishops' Conference, I once collected during the time of Cardinal Wetter [who headed the doctrinal commission from 1981 until 2008] the most important documents from Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium: The Recipient of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Sources Pertaining to the Doctrine and Practice of the Church to Confer the Sacrament of Holy Orders Only on Men (Würzburg 1999). The International Theological Commission also expressed itself in a competent manner in this matter, and there exist notable monographs on this matter, as well. A discussion is only of worth on the basis of the knowledge of the sources. He who negates it might perhaps be welcomed by the uninformed and often anticlerical media who only rejoice about strife and division within the Church but he cannot be taken seriously on the academic level.
When it comes to a dogma, one has to differentiate between the substantive and the formal side. The revealed truth which is being expressed in it and whose denial is being sanctioned with an anathema sit or which is being pronounced ex cathedra by the Pope alone does not therefore depend upon the external form of the definition. The essential statements of the Creed, for example, have not been formally defined, but they have been defined in their substance and in an exquisite manner, and they are presented by the Church as statements that have to be believed for the sake of salvation.
Some people now suggest that the doctrine that only a baptized man (who meets the necessary objective and subjective preconditions) may validly receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders is instead to be relativized, namely as an intermittent, private opinion of John Paul II, because some theologians or bishops are of the subjective opinion that this doctrine is not a dogma. And they hold this view, even though Pope Francis himself has always stressed the binding character of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. Some people, being themselves factionists, misinterpret in an ideological fashion the dogma of the primacy of jurisdiction and of the infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals; and they turn these dogmas into a heretofore-unseen ecclesial absolutism, as if also outside of questions of faith and morals the Pope could demand religious submission of mind and will with regard to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff (Lumen Gentium 25). They do so as if there was, next to the Word of God, an additional source of Revelation, either in the Pope or in the People of God, to whom the Shepherds should listen. Such new sources, they say, would allow us to go beyond Scripture and Tradition and even to know better than the heretofore Magisterium as to what Jesus really had meant and what He would now say were He alive today. When faced with Imperial Chancellor Bismarck's deceitful misinterpretation of the dogma of the infallibility of the First Vatican Council, the German bishops stated that the Magisterium of the Pope and of the bishops is bound to the content of Holy Scripture and of Tradition, as well as to the magisterial decisions as they have already been made by the Church's Magisterium (DH 3116). Pope Pius IX gave this declaration his full support (DH 3117).
It is shocking what kind of dilettantism is currently to be seen in theology and what a brutal contempt of man is taking place in Church politics. He who has an independent mind is being mercilessly taken out and discarded in an inhuman way without taking into consideration his achievements for the Church and theology. But the unity in the truth can only be received from God in prayer, and it can only be realized in the obedience of the Magisterium toward God and His Revelation, but it cannot be reached by manipulations, nor with the help of violence and deceit. Ad intra et extra, it applies: The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power (Second Vatican Council, Decree on Religious Liberty, DH 1).
One could not even convince a child that these political and media phantasies of omnipotence still have anything to do with the defined doctrine of the First and Second Vatican Councils concerning the Pope and the Church. One certainly could not do so with the mature [in the Faith], for those whose faculties have been trained by practice to distinguish good from evil (Hebrews 5:14). All those who either overestimate or underestimate the primacy of the Roman Church and her bishop should urgently read the text of the Congregation for the Faith (1998): The Primacy of the Successor of Peter in the Mystery of the Church. It is to be found as an attachment in my 600-page study The Pope. Mission and Mandate (Herder 2017). The book is also available in Polish and Spanish and soon will be published in English and Italian, so that no one could excuse himself by claiming a lack of knowledge concerning my own considered position. In theology, theological and philosophical arguments are what counts. The truth is not a function serving political and ideological claims to power. And this popular trick of our progressivists has been understood for a long time and thus rendered ineffective. Namely, they use personal attacks, instead of putting forward for discussion their substantive arguments, and they help themselves in their embarrassment with the help of absurd insinuations that lack any intellectual honesty.
According to the thesis of Modernism as condemned by the Magisterium a pseudo-Catholic version of the cultural Protestantism of the theology of feeling according to Schleiermacher a dogma of the Catholic Faith is not the definitive and irreversible insight of the Church that a truth is contained in Revelation and therefore needs to be accepted by each Catholic with divine and Catholic Faith, but it is, rather, an expression of the dominant opinion which has gained, with the help of journalistic strategies, the authority of the Pope who then happens to be reigning. The Word of God in Scripture and Tradition and the fact that the Magisterium is bound, in substance, to the unique and unparalleled Revelation in Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of the Faith, is here being replaced by an ecclesial-political loyalty to the line of the actual Pope but only under the condition that he is in accord with their own opinion. These same false brothers (Gal. 2:4) who now wish to turn the ecclesial loyalty of each Catholic toward the Pope into an unconditional submission under this one man and into a senseless sacrificium intellectus belonged to the most ruthless enemies of Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI. However, a loyalty to the Pope that has a theological foundation looks entirely different.
However, the Manifesto of Faith (as it can be found in my book: The Power of the Truth. The Challenges to Catholic Doctrine and Morals Today Ignatius Press 2019), which I had issued in the face of the chaos in the teaching proclamation and which, in accordance with the Apostolic Tradition, presents the key truths Holy Trinity, Incarnation, Sacramentality of the Church, the Seven Sacraments, the unity of faith and discipleship, and the hope for eternal life was demeaned as half truths of a subjective and arbitrary character. Someone who usually is a glowing admirer of Luther then even had thought himself able to accuse me of being a Lutherus redivivus, that is to say a revenant Luther. This Luther had, shortly before his death and in a language that does not invite a dialogue had let himself go and had spoken about The papacy in Rome, instituted by the devil (1545).
Moreover, this same ideological camp now presents itself in their well-known magazines, websites, and so-called non-fiction books as defender of the reform Pope, without noticing that they undermine, with their politicization of the papal authority, the theological foundation of the Petrine Office. Catholics are not anymore to believe in God, but in the Pope, whom the mainstream ideologues inside and outside the Church present as their Pope. These ideologues themselves then condemn, in a shocking fit of religious mania, every clear-minded Catholic, faithful bishop, and priest as enemy of their Pope. But the obedience of faith
by which man commits his whole self freely to God, offering the full submission of the intellect and of the will to God who reveals (Dei Verbum 5), can never apply to a human being even if it be the Pope or a bishop. Their authority is merely deduced and in its substance completely and totally dependent upon God's authority, because they do not receive any new public revelation as part of the depositum fidei (Lumen Gentium 25). This applies also to the relationship of bishops and Pope. In their episcopal ordination, the bishops promised directly to God to preserve faithfully the Catholic Faith. In their consciences, they are duty-bound solely to God and His Revealed Truth (against any form of papalotry). But in the context of episcopal collegiality and of the orientation toward the Pope as the perennial principle and foundation of the unity of the Church in the revealed truth of the Faith (Lumen Gentium 18;23), the directness to God also in the community of the Church and in the communal responsibility for the whole deposit of the faith of the Church (against Protestant individualism) is being realized. It was only this way that St. Paul could contradict St. Peter to his face (Gal. 2:11), because the latter was in his teaching in fact loyal to the truth of the Gospel (Gal. 2:14), but then stood self-condemned by his ambiguous practice. But St. Paul did so without fundamentally questioning the authority and mission of St. Peter. The so-called incident at Antioch, therefore, cannot be used as an argument against the existence of the papacy as of divine right.
After some negative experiences, Pope Francis has to be aware that the relationship between Pope and bishops (and within the Holy Roman Church his relationship to the cardinals) has to be determined by the Catholic understanding of the Church and that it may not be abandoned to the sensationalism of the journalists or to the opportunism of flatterers. It is an unspeakable arrogance when Vaticanists publicly and with gestures that seek approval hand to the Pope their books, in which they uncover but in reality merely construe oppositions and conspiracies against the Pope in the Curia and in the Church, and when they then allow themselves to be celebrated, similarly to the heroes of the Soviet Union of the past, for this folly that undermines the Faith. Let us remember here the dove sellers and the money changers who had turned the Father's House into a marketplace, who are, according to Jesus' example, to be driven out of the Temple and whose money (earned with their concoctions) is to be poured out and whose vending tables He overturned (see John 2:15 seq.). In any event, this is not a form of literature which promotes harmony among the faithful and which contributes to the increase of morale.
If the Amazon Synod is to become a blessing for the whole Church and to strengthen her unity in the truth, instead of weakening it, the thinking along the lines of parties and ideologies has to stop. When in a struggle everybody says something different and legitimizes himself by saying: I hold on to Paul, but I hold on to Peter, I hold on to Apollos, I to Christ, then the counter question of the Apostle is justified: Has Christ been divided?
. Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Cor. 1:13) Indeed, there have to be factions among you, for only so will it become clear who among you are genuine (1 Cor. 11:19) but Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! (Matt. 18:7).
We believe in the one God; who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus (1 Tim. 2:3-7). And we know that the Apostles and their successors, the bishops, are installed as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth (1 Tim. 2:7).
We Catholics are, without exception, loyal to Pope Francis and to the bishops in communion with him. This is the essence of the mandate of the Pope, that he assembles again and again anew the disciples and that he unites them in the profession of St. Peter who, when asked by Jesus what people think Who He is, makes the profession of the Church of all ages: You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God (Mt. 16, 16). And this he said without paying attention to the fickle opinions of the people.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: amazon; apostasy; franicschism
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ebb tide
To: Al Hitan; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; ...
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ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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NorthMountain
(... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
To: ebb tide
Dogma never stops Leftists like Bergoglio from innovating.
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bkopto
To: ebb tide
Originally penned and posted on January 19, ARSH 2013
I was planning for this to be the last essay I ever wrote, and since we’re into “any day now” territory, and since I’ve had just about enough of these lesbian pagan witch nuns and their “female ordination” horse diarrhea, I’m dropping the bomb. And yes, it’s a bomb. I’ve delayed on writing this particular essay because it is really, really hardcore. Very, very advanced stuff. At least it is today. Five hundred years ago it was probably common knowledge, but today I don’t think there are very many people who understand this concept. I explained it to a traddy-inclined seminarian recently, and even he didn’t know. And, all of the essays I see around the blogosphere being written about “female ordination” (there’s no such thing) never get anywhere near this concept, instead relying almost exclusively on the “Our Lord only ordained men in the Upper Room” argument, which is true, but it is lacking. WHY did Our Lord only ordain men? A two year old sees the need for that corollary to be answered. You can’t just leave it hanging. WHY is the ordained priesthood, now and forever, exclusive to men?
Not only does this question have an answer, it is an incredibly beautiful answer that needs to be shouted from the mountaintops in this time like never, ever before. The answer involves the concepts of gender, marriage and sexuality; the very areas of culture under profound, direct demonic attack; the very areas of culture upon which civilization lives or dies. And the answer resides, as it has for 1980 years, in the Mass. First, let’s talk about gender.
God, in Himself, contains both masculine and feminine. GASP! God contains a feminine nature? Of course He does. Goodness. If God possessed no feminine nature, then that would mean that women contained a nature that was completely outside of God. How could God create something which He Himself did not contain? Well, you might say, God doesn’t have an evil nature, but evil exists. No. Evil is merely the absence of good. Evil is not extant, just as cold is the mere absence of heat, and darkness is the mere absence of light. Femininity is an extant nature. Femininity is NOT the absence of masculinity. Femininity is an existential reality unto itself, and therefore God contains it in Himself.
Let’s define masculinity and femininity with two axioms:
The essence of masculinity is INITIATION.
The essence of femininity is RESPONSE.
In all aspects of life, from sociology to courtship to sexual intercourse itself, men are vocationally the initiators – or at least they SHOULD BE. Men lead. Men make decisions. Men command armies and wage war. Men initiate courtship. Men are the head of the household. Even the male anatomy is initiatory. The man introduces his body into that of his wife.
Females are the receptors and responders in human existence. Females listen, and respond. Females follow. Females render assistance and are responsive helpmates. Females respond, in the affirmative or the negative, to the courtship advances of men. Females receive the love of their husbands and respond by submitting themselves to their husbands. The female anatomy is a physical receptacle for the body of her husband, which then returns to him from the same physical space the fruit of their mutual love – a child.
God the Father gives Himself fully to God the Son. God the Son fully receives the love of God the Father and then fully returns it. This intercourse of infinite love being perpetually given, received and returned yields a third – God the Holy Ghost. Thus, God, in His infinite capacity as both INITIATOR and RECEIVER/RESPONDER within Himself, clearly contains BOTH masculine and feminine nature. God isn’t like men and women. Men and women are like God – created in His image, both male and female.
So why do we call God “He” exclusively? Because in the God-man relationship, God is the INITIATOR and mankind is the RESPONDER. The relative disproportion here is so great that it can be said to be practically infinite. God created and perpetuates in existence the entire universe JUST SO MAN CAN EXIST. God became incarnate JUST SO THE BROKEN RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND MAN COULD BE RESTORED. God died on the Cross JUST SO HIS LOVE FOR MAN COULD BE MANIFESTED TO THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE EXTENT. God comes to us in the Eucharist SO THAT WE NEED NEVER BE SEPARATED FROM HIM. Initiation, initiation, initiation.
Every man’s life is nothing more than responding to desperate, pleading love overtures and nuptial initiation of God. We either say yes, or we say no. And like the Gentleman He is, He never coerces. He is there, infinitely powerful, infinitely virile and infinitely reaching out to us, but at the same time infinitely meek (meekness is power under control, remember), infinitely gentle and patiently persistent in His advances.
BUT, there is exactly ONE MOMENT wherein God, so utterly consumed and infinitely condescending in His love for mankind, actually goes so far as to permit man to take the role of initiator (masculine), and God Himself voluntarily, for just a moment, RESPONDS TO THE INITIATING ACT OF MAN. Yes, God makes His feminine nature manifest before mankind. That moment of total condescension of God to man is in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, specifically at the moment of consecration of the Host and the Chalice.
In the traditional, pre-Vatican II rites, such as the Tridentine, Ambrosian, and Dominican rites, at the moment of consecration, when the priest, in an act of masculine initiation, is calling God to the altar, both at the consecration of the Host and at the consecration of the Chalice, the priest MUST bend over the altar, stare intently at the Host or the Chalice, and rest his elbows on the altar. In this posture, and this posture only, does the priest then say the words that actually effect the change of the bread and the wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
I was received into the Church at Easter 2007 in a Novus Ordo parish. I found and attended a Tridentine Mass for the first time in July of 2008. At the first Tridentine Mass I attended I was lost had my nose in the missal and missed the consecration. I didn’t see it. I was looking down, and only looked up at the elevation when the server rang the bell. At the SECOND Tridentine Mass I attended, I resolved to LOOK and SEE the Mass and not worry so much about the missal that Sunday. When I saw the priest bend over and put his elbows down on the altar, hoo boy, I was never looking back. By the grace of God I instantly recognized what was happening, and a whole lot of Catholic theology fell squarely into place.
The priest puts his elbows down on the altar because the altar is A MARRIAGE BED, and the act of consecration is the consummation of the nuptial union between God and man, but in that moment the condescension of God is so utterly complete that God becomes, just for a moment, the feminine responder to the masculine initiating action of man who says the words of consecration. The priest lovingly holds the Host in his hands beneath him atop the supernatural marriage bed of the altar, leans over, looks intently at the Host and whispers, “HOC EST ENIM CORPUS MEUM / This is My Body,” and then with the Chalice, “HIC EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI / For this is the Chalice of My Blood.” And then, in the hands of and lying completely vulnerable to man in the supreme act of loving response, is Our Lord, physically present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
So, for the sake of clarity, YES, the consecration of the Host and Chalice in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a direct analogue to sexual intercourse between husband and wife. There. I said it. That wasn’t so difficult, now was it? Goodness. In fact, the consecration is the GREATER REALITY, and the marital act between husband and wife is the LESSER REALITY which reflects and points to the greater reality of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. And, it works both ways. After the consecration, Our Lord goes right back to being the masculine initiator and the priest and the faithful become the normal relative feminine in relation to God in our nature as human beings as we RECEIVE Our Lord by taking Him physically into our bodies in the Eucharist, of which the marital embrace is also an image, only with the gender roles the other way. The nuptial nature of the Mass was known immediately to the Apostles at the Last Supper. In the ancient Jewish tradition, at marriage feasts, the husband and wife would each take a piece of bread, and each would take turns holding the bread up, saying, “Eat this. This is my body,” and then hand-feeding the piece of bread to the spouse. Where do you think the tradition of the bride and groom feeding each other a piece of the wedding cake at the reception comes from? Thus when Our Lord said, “This is My Body,” the Apostles all instantly understood the mystical nuptial act that was going on, because they had seen it before at their own weddings and/or weddings they had attended.
Do you now see why sexual morality is so utterly, critically important, and why the Church has always, and must continue to always preach the extreme importance of sexual morality? Do you now see why sexual perversion is so damaging to mankind? Do you now see why marriage is truly, truly SACRED and not a mere point of civil contract law? Do you see why divorce is evil? Do you see why divorce and remarriage is intolerable? Do you see why sex outside of marriage is gravely sinful? Do you see why masturbation is gravely sinful? Do you see why sodomy and all of the other sexual perversions are so evil that they literally destroy entire civilizations? Do you see why contraception is evil?
Sex between a husband and wife is so incredibly important, so incredibly beautiful and so incredibly sacred not solely because it is the means of creating new life, but first because it is the mystical image of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, of God’s infinite love for man. It is one of the most important ways by which humankind can understand the Trinity, and understand the mystical union between God and His Church, and between God and men as individuals.
Oh, and do you now see why the priest must, must, must be a man? In order for this moment of loving condescension of God to man to happen, the human initiator must be a man, leaning over and atop his God who responds and lays in perfect receptivity upon the altar. There must always be that contrast, that juxtaposition of masculine and feminine. If God is going to condescend all the way to the feminine in that moment, then there cannot be a female at the altar, because a woman cannot be the image of the masculine, no matter how tight she wears her crewcut, or how butch her comportment.
Do you think I’m making this up? Take a look at this picture. This is the Baldachin over the Papal Altar at St. Peter’s Basilica. Many large basilicas and cathedrals built before the Church was infiltrated in the 20th century have baldachins. Do you know what a baldachin is? A baldachin is a bed canopy. And sure enough, there it is, right over the Altar – the marriage bed of God and man.

Now for you Catholics who go to a Novus Ordo or “new Mass” parish. Watch your priest at Mass. Watch him at the consecration. Does he put his elbows down? Nope. What is he doing with the Host, and with his eyes? In the last Novus Ordo Mass I saw, the priest held the Host out in front of him, waving It (Him) like he was offering It (Him) to the people, did NOT look at the Host, but rather looked OUT AT THE PEOPLE in full Broadway performance mode as he said the words of consecration. That is like a man who is in the midst of the marital act with his wife talking on the phone to someone else whilst looking at himself in a mirror. Are you squirming? Good. You should be, because it is absolutely awful. If a man doing such a vulgar and narcissistic thing to his wife is disgusting, think how much more disgusting it is when these priests do this to Our Blessed Lord in these Novus Ordo Masses.
The rubric of the elbows-down posture was intentionally stripped from the Mass by the Communist-homosexualist infiltrators in the 1960′s because they hated Our Lord, His Church, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, His Real Presence in the Eucharist, and specifically because of the connection to the marital act. The infiltrators had as a goal the total destruction of sexual morality, because that is the fastest and surest way to demoralize and then destroy a culture. The Communist-homosexualist infiltrators of the Church wanted to convince everyone that sex was no big deal, and if sex is no big deal, then it really can’t be connected to the concept of “sin” , and thus DO WHAT YOU WANT! Contracept! Sleep around! Be a sodomite! Abuse yourself! Hey, it’s not like what you do in private behind closed doors actually matters, right? Wrong. Our entire civilization is going to crash and burn first and foremost because of what people have done “in private behind closed doors” , namely making a complete mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Your Novus Ordo priest almost certainly knows nothing about any of this because he was never taught the theology of the Mass in seminary. In fact, as far as I can tell, today’s Novus Ordo priests aren’t taught much of anything in seminary aside from Marxism and pop psychology. The good ones have to self-teach, and even sneak around in order to learn the Traditional Rites. The Novus Ordo priests today are taught a load of Protestant nonsense about the Mass being a MEAL, wherein WE gather around THE TABLE and WORSHIP OURSELVES by eating a symbolic MEAL. Wrong, Father Jazzhands. The altar isn’t a table. It’s a bed, complete with bed linens. And it is NOT SYMBOLIC. The meal aspect is deeply subordinated first and foremost to the SACRIFICIAL aspect, followed by the nuptial aspect. The meal motif is, by far, the least important – but then non-important, pedestrian and even trivial is EXACTLY what the infiltrators want the Mass to be.
If you try to explain this to Father Jazzhands, good luck. You will get a very odd look, and then be dismissed. He doesn’t want to hear anything about this, because it messes with his narcissistic Communist-homosexualist neo-pagan worldview. Same with the Superfun Rockband Church™ denizens and their for-profit macchiato-sipping insipidity. And the lesbian pagan witch nuns? Those sick broads are so far gone, they aren’t even in the same galactic cluster. The vast majority of them self-excommunicated themselves decades and decades ago. I just wish that Rome would make it official.
Finally, to the idiots who read me just because they hate me so much. I delayed writing this piece for YEARS because of you. I would think to myself, “I can’t talk about that, because if some Jimmy Swaggart-cultist drooling mouth-breather reads it, he’ll say that I said that Catholicism is a sex cult or some slack-jawed imbecility like that.” Well, I’m done letting the slack-jawed mouth-breathers dictate the level of discourse. I’m sick of having to not discuss lofty ideas because we all have to pander to the lowest common denominator, which in this culture is about as low as humanity can possibly go. How would I feel if someone said to me, “I have some incredible information that could potentially change your life and make the difference between heaven and hell for you, but I can’t tell you because a stupid person might overhear and misunderstand it.” If that was the standard, the world would be silent.
Nope. No more. You stupid people, by all means, send me as much hate mail as you would like. Tell me what a nympho-pervert, or an under-sexed harpy I am. Go ahead. I’ll cherish every one.
To the priest and seminarian readers, put your elbows down, gentlemen, and take good care of Him up there.
And you MUST explain this to people. Like the Ethiopian with St. Philip, how will they ever know unless someone explains it to them? Stop being afraid and TELL THEM.
Here is an instructional video showing the details of the consecration in the Tridentine Rite, just so you can clearly see it.
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posted on
10/03/2019 10:05:27 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
To: infool7
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posted on
10/03/2019 10:14:39 AM PDT
by
infool7
(Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
To: ebb tide
Ban on female deacons, priests an infallible Catholic dogma (But they are not to sure about their previously approved teachings on homosexuality.) It sounded good to the faithful, but it has proved to be unworkable in the Vatican. /sarc
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posted on
10/03/2019 10:22:01 AM PDT
by
Perseverando
(For Progressives, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies & other DemoKKKrats: It's all about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
To: NorthMountain
Pope Frankie: “Oh yeah, try and stop me!”
Throwing another fifteen paragraphs into the strongly worded letter is NOT going to stop anything.
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posted on
10/03/2019 1:01:19 PM PDT
by
Buckeye McFrog
(Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
To: Buckeye McFrog
Frankie is trying to destroy the Church.
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posted on
10/03/2019 1:14:11 PM PDT
by
NorthMountain
(... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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