Cdl. Joseph Tobin and Fr. Matt Malone Posted on 09/28/2019 6:14:58 AM PDT by ebb tide
NEWARK, N.J. (ChurchMilitant.com) - In a recent interview with America magazine, Cdl. Joseph Tobin discussed his commitment to Pope Francis' mission and his views on human sexuality and gender roles.
Jesuit Fr. Matt Malone, editor in chief of America, spoke Tuesday with Cdl. Joseph Tobin of the archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey, in a streamed discussion titled "Pope Francis and the Future of the American Church," which is described as "an evening discussion on the vision of Pope Francis and the present state and future of the American Catholic Church."
In a causal question-answer format, Malone asked Tobin about Pope Francis, deaconesses, the clergy sex abuse crisis, the Trump administration and current polarization among Catholics.
"A rethinking of the mystery of human sexuality is important, is incumbent. It is not going to be done in a weekend," said Tobin as he rubbed his nose while thinking of his next words: "We have to be able to ask questions of each other as we go forward, and listen."
A rethinking of the mystery of human sexuality is important, is incumbent. Tweet
Malone described two opposing voices in the Church: "Pope Francis is changing the Church ― boo; Pope Francis is changing the Church ― yay," and asked Tobin if he thinks the Pope is changing the Church.
Cdl. Joseph Tobin and Fr. Matt Malone
Tobin did not answer the question directly with a "yes" or "no," but discussed a link between Pope Francis and the Second Vatican Council:
Well, I don't think it is a sort of personal project of the Holy Father. I think he is trying to respond to the call that he was given by the conclave in 2013, and in doing so, I think he is responding in close linkage especially with the Second Vatican Council. I think he makes it clear that the force of the council in his life and in his ministry, and I think, in his vision for the future.
At one point, Tobin talked about Pope Francis "playing a long game" on some stuff, but did not specify on which stuff:
I think he is playing a long game on some stuff. I think the whole question of synodality in the Church is essential for his vision of the future and I think that little things he has done, at least in my perception, all feed into that, and that is going to be the difference going forward.
Tobin never gave a clear answer on deaconesses one way or the other, but he did talk about the need for more female involvement in the Catholic Church:
What really keeps me awake at night is that the women are leaving faster, and I don't know if that has ever happened in human history. And I think the ones who can speak most eloquently to women are women themselves. So, we need that. And we do have models ― people like Carolyn Woo did so much in academia, but then really brought great gifts to bear on the poor in Catholic Relief Services. … I think it is interesting that the three great charitable arms of the Catholic Church [Catholic Relief Services, Catholic Charities, USA and Catholic Health Association of the United States] in this country are all headed by women.
Tobin has drawn some criticism for his commentary on rethinking human sexuality in light of his heavy pro-LGBT involvement, including blessing an LGBT pilgrimage to the cathedral in Newark, New Jersey.
Tobin has drawn some criticism for his commentary on rethinking human sexuality in light of his heavy pro-LGBT involvement.Tweet
A notice going out to all priests of the archdiocese of Detroit listed Tobin, a native of Detroit, as a speaker at this year's convocation, "Unleash the Gospel: Sent on Mission," being held Oct. 13–17 at the Boyne Mountain Resort in Boyne, Michigan.
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"I think he (the pope) is responding in close linkage especially with the Second Vatican Council. I think he makes it clear that the force of the council in his life and in his ministry, and I think, in his vision for the future."
Ping
there’s no mystery about where this is going...
“there’s no mystery about where this is going...”
Indeed.
Bend over, here it comes........
Anti-God Godless fag alert.
Acceptance of homosexuality is the end of the church.
“Jesuit Fr. Matt Malone”
I had to stop reading there. I am not to poison my mind with false teachings
Two takeaways though- and I don’t read details of any of these stories they are too horrific - the big view of this story is this is the evil one attacking the church from within at a time when the hierarchy is self indulgent and weak
One- St. Pope John Paul II wrote Theology of the Body as well as multiple encyclical encyclicals regarding human sexuality, of course based on God’s plan and design -based on biblical teaching and the grace of the Holy Spirit
Natural law
And these prideful men deign to ignore those great works from a great theologian in their own Catholic religion
Pope Paul VI wrote Humanae Vitae in the mid ‘60s. It’s actually an easy read. It is logical. It predicted all of this crap if we screwed with God’s design (Mother Nature) and proceeded with cultural acceptance of artificial birth control. The jesuits have rejected it since it’s publication
people pretending they can design nature better than God did Oldest story in the book.
Two- that Bishop is fat for someone supposed to be self disciplined.
The Church will never end. That’s Gospel. Jesus said it.
Best for people to put aside their hatred of the Catholic Church and remember that
Acceptance of unnatural sex behavior will always be heretical. These fat bishops have no power to cha now that. None.
Nor does the pope. No human has the power to change God’s design and laws
These guys ought to read at Genesis with humility and see what happened to those who did
To cha now that??
To change that.
The Bishops nor the pope. They cannot change God’s design. It would be a heresy. The Church has seen many heresies
In fact acceptance of artificial birth control is still sinful. Just as much now as it ever was. No matter that a large percentage of Catholics practice it.
Nighty night, baby. He loves you...
Tobin has drawn some criticism for his commentary on rethinking human sexuality in light of his heavy pro-LGBT involvement.Tweet"
TRUTH doesn't need "re-thinking"
Homosexual behavior is WRONG!
I remember the time when the pope used to talk about the Gospel. Haha, such a quaint concept. /sarcasm
“Listen” is code for “Make those stupid orthodox Catholics shut up and take what’s coming because there will be no stopping the changes we enlightened ones demand.”
Sadly the Catholic church has been hijacked by the queers with the biggest one at the head!
Fire away if you will, but as a Catholic I say I haven't left the church, the church has left me.
Carolyn Woo may not be a great example of women in Catholic leadership positions!?
No I meant orthodox. As in holding to the faith passed down to the saints. In a Church founded by Our Lord.
(1) Only traditional sexual morality makes the permanence and exclusivity of marriage an absolute norm, which establishes the one natural "society" in which a child can truly flourish, and
(2) Only traditional sexual morality prohibits any attempted sexual contact with anyone other than your own well and truly wedded spouse ---- and nobody else. Thus making the sexual exploitation of a child utterly out of the question.
The Lord entrusts children to the family based on one man and one woman, married . And in this way, we entrust all our Children to the Lord.
I prefer to use the word conservative.To me,one and the same.
But then again, to each his own.
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