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To: pastorbillrandles
Salvation is not unconditional however. There is one, and only one condition, and that is that we must believe. “He that believes…shall have eternal life”. “This is the Work, that you believe on Him whom the Father has sent”.

Over and over again, we are told by the Apostles that we must believe to be saved. All the Father requires is belief, steadfast, loyal faith. He knows we are weak, unsteady, liable to sin, fall and defect, yet all he requires is belief.


One is not saved by believing one is saved, nor by believing one believes the Bible.

  • Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
  • Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
  • Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
  • For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
  • And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Galatians, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty one,
Revelation, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses eighteen to nineteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
underlines for emphasis

392 posted on 09/25/2019 4:41:42 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
One is not saved by believing one is saved, nor by believing one believes the Bible.

Well yer a fine one to talk...Your pope teaches that you don't even have to believe in Jesus to become a 'Catholic' Christian...

There's an advantage to studying the scriptures as opposed to just picking a couple verses as your Church does to create its own false doctrine...

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Well, that covers every Catholic that ever lived...

Ahhhh...Here's one of those Buts that's missing from every Catholic Bible and catechism...

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his
  Rom 8:10  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 
Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 

The flesh is bad, but we are not in the flesh if we have been born again...

Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 
Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 

Because we have been Born Again, we do not walk after the flesh but we walk after the Spirit, even tho we commit those sins you posted...

Rom 4:8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 

That verse and doctrine seems to lost on everyone who doesn't like OSAS...

These are bible truths...Can we find scripture that may seem contrary to these scriptures??? Certainly we can...So what do we do, cancel the one out to chose the one we like??? Many do just that...
But we are to believe the entire council of God not just those scriptures we like...So how is this reconciled??? By acknowledging there are different dispensations for different times and different groups of people who have different destinations and are saved under different conditions...

396 posted on 09/25/2019 7:34:55 AM PDT by Iscool
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