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Catholicism made me Protestant
First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Actually I’m depending on YOU to save me since obviously God has selected you for that commission!

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I’m flattered you think so highly of me, but I’m sure that man’s leprosy would have cleared up even if I hadn’t touched him.


741 posted on 09/15/2019 11:41:21 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom

The level of sheer hatred that some Catholics have for Bible-believing Christians is hard to believe.

One wonders if they REALLY want to go online and get steamrollered by the Word of God again and again or if they’re forced to for some reason.


742 posted on 09/15/2019 11:45:12 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; MHGinTN
ffj: If you don’t mind I think I will rely on more reliable sources regarding an understanding of what “the will of the Father” is.

Clearly, your posts show that you don't have the slightest idea. And you've been shown over and over again what some of the doctrine regarding it is. And you keep on fighting and resisting and denying it. How about using the Bible as a reliable source, eh?

Regarding God's work expectations from humans:

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" (Jn. 6:28-29 AV).
Regarding the determinate non-negotiable Will of God concerning humans:
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day" (Jn. 6:38-40 AV).
Then, if one is doing the will and the work of God, his/her walk ought to be commensurate:
"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 Jn. 1:6-7 AV).
You and I are not in fellowship with each other, my FRiend. Something is very wrong.

MHGinTN: The poster is incapable of seeing self in the light of Truth found in the Word of God. 'If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!'

743 posted on 09/15/2019 11:46:01 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

We see here what indoctrination does. They’ve been taught to hate ‘heretics’ for their entire lives and to boast about their ‘one true church’ to the point where they’ll clamp their proverbial hands over their ears and scream over the very words of the Lord himself. Because to believe the Lord’s very words would mean to have something in common with the hated heretics.

And they pat themselves on the back for doing so.


744 posted on 09/15/2019 11:53:54 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Another example of setting up a straw man since I have never said anything about earning salvation through works.

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Yes you did, when you answered my question of “What works do you think you’re doing to earn salvation?” If you didn’t earn salvation by works then you’d have just said “None.” Instead you went on and on about what you think you did to earn salvation.

And then you suddenly changed the subject when I pointed out that all those works that you were boasting about are failing to live up to God’s standards, which I find rather amusing.

That and the RC catechism says that you have to earn salvation by works too. Oh, sorry, ‘merit’ salvation by works, so why shouldn’t I assume that you believe Catholic doctrine?


745 posted on 09/15/2019 11:59:12 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; Luircin; MHGinTN
Please send Post #562 to me because I don’t see that it has anything whatever to do with the subject under discussion.

You want me to send it to you? That post is of your own creation, extolling your own virtues regarding how you are earning eternal life, in response to Luircin's question to you. Can't be clearer that I was responding to the subject in question. Don't tell me you don't remember it or have the post at your fingertips. Stop ducking the issue.

746 posted on 09/16/2019 12:18:37 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; ealgeone
Well how come there are literally hundreds of Christian religious sects, . . .

A puerile attempt to change the topic rather than respond to the matter from Post #634.

747 posted on 09/16/2019 12:27:30 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN; boatbums
He will give them up to their unbelief at this rate.

He will indeed bro. My personal YOPIOS, is that when people continuously reject the simplicity of Christ, and try to add their own boastful, prideful works, to the Gospel, their hearts will become completely seared, and when God gives them up to their unbelief, they reach a point of no return, and are no longer capable of repentance. There is only a fearful looking for eternal and horrifying judgment. That’s just my opinion, but we don’t know when a person reaches that point in their life.
I remember back in the 70s, me and my buddy were witnessing to a catholic. I could see the veins stand out in his neck, and his face grimace, as he resisted the Holy Spirit. Later, his life really went down hill. I am convinced his rejection of Christ, was the reason. Again, my opinion.

748 posted on 09/16/2019 12:51:48 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: Iscool
The devil believes? I believe that is a misinterpretation of what is meant. The Devil and his cohorts KNOW about Christ. They KNOW what he did on the cross. They KNOW we are saved from Hell, by faith alone, apart from our works, but in NO WAY does the devil BELIEVE, to the saving of the soul. He failed his test, and is no more capable of “BELIEVING,” to the saving of the soul, than the man in the moon 🌚
749 posted on 09/16/2019 1:00:18 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; metmom
MM: It could not be stated any clearer or simpler.

FFJ: Really? Then why are there a multitude of differing and in some cases contradictory understandings of the meaning of various passages . . .

You continue to divert the focus to another kind of discussion when there is only ONE issue under consideration; Does God freely save a human on the basis of faith, or does the human have to proffer pious acts to get God's favors? You quote that "Faith without works is DEAD" but what exactly does that mean to you> Does God do the saving alone? Or do you have to help him?

750 posted on 09/16/2019 1:20:07 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
Why are you up so early bro? 😁🤣 It’s 4:55 PM here, so it’s 4:55 AM there. Still confounding the Catholics, I see. 👍😁👊☝️
751 posted on 09/16/2019 1:55:33 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: Mark17

Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and can’t go back to sleep. Some other tines /i cant go to sleep so I’m awake untill the wee hours until I fall asleep. Once in a great while I fall asleep like other working people do normally and sleep until morning. That’s rare. I have no one to report to or take into consideration, so /i do what I feel like I want. That’s all it amounts to. This morning I have to get up and go to the Christian Business Men’s Connection (CBMC) to give a short lesson.
My alarm is set to 6:00 am in case I fall asleep. (Yawn)


752 posted on 09/16/2019 2:08:31 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Mark17
The devil believes? I believe that is a misinterpretation of what is meant. The Devil and his cohorts KNOW about Christ. They KNOW what he did on the cross. They KNOW we are saved from Hell, by faith alone, apart from our works, but in NO WAY does the devil BELIEVE, to the saving of the soul. He failed his test, and is no more capable of “BELIEVING,” to the saving of the soul, than the man in the moon 🌚

The verse I believe was misquoted, and I rolled with it...This one may be what was referenced:

Jas 2:19  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 

753 posted on 09/16/2019 3:27:48 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Well, yes it does. The sentence RCs leave out when quoting this tells us these are people who've never followed Christ. They've completely rejected anything to do with Him.

It makes a big difference in how you're using the sentence and how He is using the sentence.

754 posted on 09/16/2019 4:11:55 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mark17
You are describing exactly what happened to me. As a catholic, however, I was never a holier than thou, pious catholic, thinking God owed me salvation. Maybe that is why I am joyfully, and totally thrilled that I am an ex catholic, and wonderfully saved by FAITH ONLY, in Christ, completely apart from works. Praise God for his wonderful gift. 😁

All I can say to that is - AMEN!!! Am blessed to be saved and blessed by Christ too.

755 posted on 09/16/2019 4:16:05 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: Iscool
The verse I believe was misquoted, and I rolled with it...This one may be what was referenced:

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Yes, that is the one. Let me clear it up. I knew that you knew exactly what it meant. My post was directed at any “religionist,” who might misinterpret it. 😁👊

756 posted on 09/16/2019 4:41:01 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
All I can say to that is - AMEN!!! Am blessed to be saved and blessed by Christ too.

👍👊☝️😁

757 posted on 09/16/2019 4:42:49 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: imardmd1
😁👍🙃🇵🇭
758 posted on 09/16/2019 4:43:55 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Yeah, right. That’s why there are dozens of sects teaching all manner of heresy and contradictions unique to their own congregations. Virtually every passage of Scripture is interpreted in a multitude of different ways only ONE of which can actually be true. But which one, that’s always the unanswerable question, isn’t it?

You can't even provide ONE example of a verse that's interpreted in a multitude of ways?

That tells me, your argument has no basis, otherwise you would and could provide specific examples of what you are referring to.

Vague accusation's can be dismissed like the opinions that they are.

759 posted on 09/16/2019 4:50:05 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
LOL! Well, regardless of the actual number the fact is that any more than ONE is one too many, isn’t it? I mean if “truth” is indivisible, than so is right doctrine which would seem to require only one church to promulgate it!

So, are you telling us that all Catholics everywhere agree lockstep with Catholic doctrine that has not ever changed one iota since the inception of Roman Catholicism?

I guess Newman's *development of doctrine* is a bunch of hogwash then. as it's simply an excuse to justify the changes that have occurred in Catholicism that you all claim never happened.

760 posted on 09/16/2019 4:54:13 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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