Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
Um, no. Faith must be present and given time WILL evidence behavior becoming of the Family the faither has been born from above into. 'Works' are not even mentioned as a requirement to be born again, born from above. HOWEVER, given time the new man will exhibit the family in his/her behavior patterns. Without being born again, he/she will exhibit the family of fallen Adam. [The heart of man is desperately wicked, Who can know it?]
Really?
I never thought of that!
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It was a favorite classroom saying of the late Dr. B. B. Warfield that “all theologies divide at one point - does God save men or do they save themselves?” As truly it may be said that all systems of Bible interpretation divide at one point-is the Bible a self- interpreting book or does it require a humanly contrived system of interpretation in order to be understood? In other words, does the Bible contain its own hermeneutical laws which are sufficient, and capable, when rightly understood and followed, of guiding the student to a correct interpretation of its own disclosures: or is it deficient in such interpretational provisions, and therefore dependent upon the resources of human reason to supply that lack?In this paper Chafer notes that the socalled "Church Fathers" quickly departed from the scriptural hermeneutic used by Jesus and His Apostles, with the Gentile scholars interweaving Greek philosophical leanings into their uninspired methodlogy, and thus led the main bodies of Christendom far down the wrong path, until it was stopped by the Reformers.
Note that the RCC in its traditions is still stuck there, but its members who have started to use the Bible correctly are now coming away from it.
Please keep on helping them to interpret the Word as the Spirit intends us to, using a proper hermeneutic.
ping to Post #425. Sorry for leaving you off the list!
That’s a good read. Keeping that.
Wow. You are so right!
Amen
Thanks for the scriptural backup.
When I was a catholic, that is about what I was taught, that if I led a good enough life, it was possible I could earn my way into heaven, but I wouldn’t know till the moment I died. I hope no one comes along, and tries to tell me that’s not what the Catholic Church teaches. Hogwash. It is what I was taught.
Deep in my heart, I knew I didn’t measure up, so I gave up, and ate, drank, and was merry. Then I met some guys associated with the Navs. Now, I know I still don’t measure up, but now I sing, “There He stands the mighty conquerer, since He rent the veil in two.” There is no way, the rending of the veil was accidental. No way. See you in the clouds bros. 👍😁
Ouch.
I will tell you what frustrated me, when I was a normal clueless Catholic, so MANY decades ago. I asked NUMEROUS priests for a “list” of mortal sins and venial sins. I wanted to sin, but I didn’t want to mess with the big M (mortal sin) and none of these dudes could tell me the difference between the two. As a result, I just figured I would go and sin till I was blue in the face. 😁
Placemarker
Yup; really...
So; you became a Smurf.
No doubt. I had a sin meter, that could have been used as a fan. 😁
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I really can’t decide whether the FRomans can’t understand or refuse to understand what we mean by saved by grace through faith for the purpose of works.
The way they talk you’d think we’re encouraging people to go have orgies in the pews.
Ephesians 2:8-9
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Your interpretation of it cannot be reconciled with the much more unambiguous teaching of James 2. Sorry.
Your interpretation of it cannot be reconciled with the much more unambiguous teaching of James 2. Sorry.
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How on earth is it ambiguous to say that we’re NOT saved on account of works?
What a massive steaming load.
But sure, let’s go with your claims and see where they lead. Tell me, what kind of works are enough to earn your way into eternal life?
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