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[Barf Alert] Francis warns of ideology 'infiltrating' some quarters of US Catholic Church
National Catholic Reporter ^ | September 10, 2019 | Joshua J. McElwee

Posted on 09/10/2019 3:17:23 PM PDT by ebb tide

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Distinguishing between critics he appreciates and those he does not, the pontiff gave the example of someone who honestly says: "This thing from the pope, I do not like. I will make a critique and I'll wait for the response. I'll visit with him, speak with him, write an article, ask him to respond."

It's been 1,086 days since Francis received the four cardinals' dubia. He has not yet responded.

1 posted on 09/10/2019 3:17:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/10/2019 3:18:28 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

People are starting to leave or complain about his leadership.
Look for him to start blaming others for his mistakes.


3 posted on 09/10/2019 3:19:27 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: ebb tide

You mean like the ideology of communism?


4 posted on 09/10/2019 3:25:54 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: ebb tide

It is Francis and his friends that are introducing their ideology above Catholic doctrine. So who is it Francis is complaining about? He is complaining about those who see Francis introduction of ideology, and oppose it. If a schism is developing, it is from Francis’ actions that it is developing.

He, Francis, is the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to ideology infiltrating Catholic teaching.


5 posted on 09/10/2019 3:30:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ebb tide

“Francis warns of ideology ‘infiltrating’ some quarters of US Catholic Church..”

But of course not the papacy.


6 posted on 09/10/2019 3:32:34 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus mane)
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To: ebb tide

What’s a “dubia”? Is that related to dubious?


7 posted on 09/10/2019 3:34:24 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus mane)
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To: ebb tide

Ideology?

If he said this he’s whacked

Catholicism follows Jesus. It does not entail ideas.


8 posted on 09/10/2019 3:39:06 PM PDT by stanne
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To: ebb tide

These articles are fascinating for us non Catholics too. Sounds like the Pope cannot abide criticism.


9 posted on 09/10/2019 3:51:40 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ebb tide

” Francis also warned against clerics who are too rigid in their practice of Catholic teachings. “

Well we certainly would not expect a secular Leftist ‘Pope’ to expect clerics to closely adhere to Catholic teachings.


10 posted on 09/10/2019 3:51:42 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: Zathras; ebb tide

Nothing that innocent. He’s setting it up to get rid of his “enemies” by declaring them in schism after the (German) Amazon synod (held in Rome).


11 posted on 09/10/2019 3:53:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: ebb tide

nor will he. as to the article, it is the pot calling the kettle black.


12 posted on 09/10/2019 4:06:10 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: leaning conservative

He is a Socialist, of course he cannot tolerate criticism.


13 posted on 09/10/2019 4:06:42 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: livius
It's already begun:

Cdl. Burke Dissents from the Church’s Teaching

He (Cardinal Burke) explicitly rejects its Magisterial nature, the pope’s authority on faith and morals, ...

Mark Shea

14 posted on 09/10/2019 4:15:14 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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"The things I say on social matters are the same that John Paul II said. The same. I copy him," said Francis.

No, you changed what he published in the catechism about the death penalty and divorce and now you're working on female deacons, you purged his appointees from the institute named after him, you appointed the liberation theologians he condemned to high positions, you kowtowed to Communist China where he stood up to the Soviet Union, and you can't even kneel to the Blessed Sacrament because your "knees hurt" where he took a bullet for Jesus.

15 posted on 09/10/2019 4:18:09 PM PDT by Fedora
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dubium, latin for “doubt,” dubia plural. the process in the Church whereby specific doctrinal questions are clarified, usually by a Yes or No answer. the questions usually come from a bishop to the vatican. in this case, the pope displays a likely disapproval by denying a response, instead of the usual response of handing it to CDF. The contentious nature of some of the dubia is the presumed reason for the pope’s silence.


16 posted on 09/10/2019 4:19:52 PM PDT by Marchmain (peace...pax)
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To: ebb tide

You can only imagine what Bishop Sheen would be saying today. Actually you KNOW what he’d be saying. Without a doubt.


17 posted on 09/10/2019 4:25:13 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Marchmain

There is nothing contentious in the dubia.


18 posted on 09/10/2019 4:26:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

If you mean the accusatory parts were not intentional, albeit “rigid,” I change “nature” to “tone.”


19 posted on 09/10/2019 4:36:28 PM PDT by Marchmain (peace...pax)
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To: ebb tide

He compares himself to JPII. The last real pope might have been when I was a little kid, and I’m signing up for Medicare this month.

Alternatively, the last real pope might have been Benedict XVI, who might still be pope!


20 posted on 09/10/2019 4:43:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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