Do I Think I Can Lose My Salvation?

https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2019/09/04/do-i-think-i-can-lose-my-salvation/ ^ | Sept 4 2019 | Bill Randles

[fortes fortuna juvat]

And the difference is....?
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Semantics, nothing but semantics!

[MHGinTN]

So you say. The Word of God says otherwise. Besides, you as a Roman Catholic do not believe God imputes the righteousness of Christ to someone when they are born again because your religion dictates to you that righteousness is dripped slowly to you via the Catholic sacraments, so being born again in the immediate now is not in your mindset.

You ignore what the many other passages say about being seal by The Holy Spirit when one is born from above. That is typical of a closed mind, closed tot he Hospel of Grace depending upon the gospel of works to obtain eternal life.

[metmom]

Not *clearly*.

However, if you want so bad to think that you can lose your salvation, have at it.

You just go ahead and work your little feet off trying to maintain a salvation you cannot ever afford to attain on your own, and tell Jesus when you see Him that His death on the cross wasn’t enough and you added your works to them to help.

You can put yourself under that kind of bondage to law keeping if you want to so bad, but I will never stop telling people that they can believe God and that when they are born again, they are secure in His hands.

[papertyger]

The problem is what does one do with verses like:

(Romans 11:22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now one can quibble about what "cut off" means, but the Scripture itself does not validate ANYONE'S definition to my knowledge.

[metmom]

The enemy of our souls loves nothing better than to get people to distrust the promises of God.

His best line was *Did God REALLY say....???*

Satan would have us live in fear of losing our salvation so we can beat ourselves up and work ourselves to death trying to keep a salvation that is already ours.

The enemy WANTS us to live in the bondage that the fear of losing one’s salvation puts one under.

I’ll trust God and not call Him a liar when it comes to His promises of sealing us with the promised Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it.

[papertyger]

Not *clearly*.

Not even closely.

Furthermore, as you've already characterized those who do not believe in "eternal security" as They seem to think that someone can sin with impunity and that God will let it go, that there will be no consequences.; a statement that can only charitably be called "a mistake," it would seem the one who "wants so bad to think" something is a matter of projection.

Finally, "bondage to law" has a distinct connotation that is completely inappropriate to conflate with matters of legitimate Christian obligation.

[MHGinTN]

There are religions which cannot explain such assurance, even calling it sin to believe such assurance as the Word of God gives to those who are born from above into His family. The adherents to such religions are unable to hear/see spiritual truth because they remain in the natural mind. Some even search the Word of God looking for the escape clause they believe will excuse their efforts to disprove God's Promises.

Their minds read passages of scripture with a preconceived perception created by the traditions of men rather than the Power of The Spirit of God.

we are bought with a price. We are no longer the owner of what God has purchased with the Blood of Christ. Their reasoning remains within themselves, as if they cannot be bought in full. when Jesus said it is finished, He didn't have any unpaid left for human works. It is by Grace or not at all.

[PeterPrinciple]

There are two kinds of assurance of salvation.

False Assurance

and

Real Assurance.

[MHGinTN]

“Finally, “bondage to law” has a distinct connotation that is completely inappropriate to conflate with matters of legitimate Christian obligation.” Catholic apologetics in ther raw. Unable to see that PAUL taught this, you call it inappropriate conflating.No matter how strenuously you twist the scriptures to fit the works based religion the price for a man’s soul was paid in full at Calvary and nothing o fworks can add to the price or the payment. God owns the spirit of me because I havecomplete dependence upon His doing the righteousness which I cannot do and you cannot do. Either you accept His Gift of eternal life which HE PAID FOR for you, or you remain in your flesh striving to obtain.

[metmom]

Those who think you can just lose your salvation and have to figure out what to do to get it back, the on again and off again salvation, have NO idea what the new birth is all about.

They cannot fathom the changed heart that results from having the Spirit of the Living God dwell in you and the incredible, profound effect it has on one.

They are looking at it from a totally worldly, fleshly perspective, and are like a blind man lecturing the sighted on what seeing is all about.

[MHGinTN]

This is a religion forum. If you are going to make that assertion -which I too agree with- it would be beneficial if you illustrated the differences.

[papertyger]

...when Jesus said it is finished, He didn't have any unpaid left for human works.

Then what did Paul mean by "Filling Up What Is Lacking In Christ's Afflictions?"

And if you're going to say such afflictions are not salvific, why are the Catholics maligned for saying the same thing but rather are accused of trying to "earn" salvation?

[editor-surveyor]

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How can one lose what he doesn’t have?

In John ch3 Yeshua explains to Nicodemus that no one is saved until they are changed into a body that can be invisible, yet make noise like the wind.

So far, only the “First Fruits” have been so changed.

If you cannot move invisibly, you are not yet saved.

Those that believe they are “Saved” will be gnashing their teeth at the Day oof Trumpets.
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[papertyger]

If you are going to make that assertion -which I too agree with- it would be beneficial if you illustrated the differences.

I think he got his point across rather eloquently.

[MHGinTN]

LOL you are truly clueless. Perhaps you and the Michael Rood sycophant can pontificate for us all now.

[papertyger]

It has been my experience that posters only scoff when they lack a substantive rebuttal.

For a CHRISTIAN, scoffing is NEVER appropriate...or Scriptural.

[papertyger]

Bravo!

You fulfilled Michael Malice’s definition of a classic “internet troll,” that being a performance artist that actually provokes their target to become part of the performance.

Well Done!

[MHGinTN]

No one was scoffing, troll.

[papertyger]

My mistake.

Perhaps you’d consider answering post #72 in a show of goodwill.

[af_vet_1981]

There are two kinds of assurance of salvation.

False Assurance

and

Real Assurance.

Concur

One is not saved by believing one is saved. It is possible, albeit not necessary, to fall. The Apostle Peter described real assurance, and how to have it, here:

• Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
• Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
• According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
• Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
• And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
• And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
• And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
• For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
• But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
• Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
• For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Second Peter, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
underlined for emphasis.