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To: Olog-hai

I NEVER thought of Christian Zionism in such dark terms.

But I know almost nothing about them or how the majority thinks.

Anyone who does care to elucidate?

That’s my 25 cent word of the week :)


3 posted on 08/28/2019 8:37:38 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company PeoTill the day I die.)
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To: dp0622

This is a common conspiracy theory about Christian Zionism among liberal Jews, and of course liberals at large (who would include antisemites).


5 posted on 08/28/2019 8:46:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: dp0622

Kinda remarkable that this rebuttal appears in the Forward, which is itself socialistic.


6 posted on 08/28/2019 8:47:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: dp0622

Perhaps Christian Zionism is less about Jews and more about Protestants refuting the Replacement Theology of the Catholic Church.


7 posted on 08/28/2019 8:48:05 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: dp0622

Christians know there is nothing they can do to hasten the return of Christ. That day is God’s choice, and His alone. “Christian Zionism” is a lie.


21 posted on 08/28/2019 9:10:52 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: dp0622
Christians that support Israel just read their Bible in such a way as to see that Jesus was and is Jewish. If you think about it, right now, Jesus is on His throne at the right hand of the Father as the Lion of Judah. "Judah" is the origin of what it means to be Jewish. Ephraim is thought to represent the church as he was a Gentile adopted into Jacob's (Israel's) family. For a Gentile to be in God's chosen people, we must be adopted, or grafted in to Israel.

Having explained that, Scripture makes it plain that you must believe and trust God to have mercy and grace imputed to you. Just as Abraham believed God and became righteous, Rahab, a lying Gentile prostitute confessed that Israel's God was The God of Heaven and Earth in Joshua and was saved out of Jericho even though men women and children, dogs and cats, horses and sheep, were commanded by God to be destroyed. She accepted the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and was saved. A Jew will have to confess Jesus as Lord in order to be saved, just as everyone else will have to. Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto, and atheists alike will do the same or die the second death.

Bible reading Christians know that God's time clock is Israel. All covenants and oracles have been given to Israel. They are the keepers of the Word of God. The very Last Days of the earth will be in Israel. It will come when the 200 million man army lines up against Israel. The time under the Antichrist will be worse than the Holocaust under Hitler.

Now it gets sticky speaking to a Jew. They don't like that idea and start thinking I have animus against them. When I tell them that the Temple they long to build will usher in the Antichrist taking the throne and claiming to be their God, they look funny at me even though they have the Books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and others. I don't wish these things on Israel, but God says that this time is coming. Just as Israel was punished with slavery in Babylon, they will face persecution again in the Last Days. I might tell them there is a way to avoid this by accepting the Lamb provided by God called Jesus, but they take offense and the trouble starts. God no longer will accept the blood of animals so why insist on a new, third Temple. The Temple God will build is described in Ezekiel 40-48 and has nothing to do with the Antichrists Temple built on the Temple mount.

So you can see that I believe Israel is my family just as Joseph's kids were joint heirs of Jacob's inheritance, but we all have family that seems to always pick the wrong things to say and start trouble at the family reunion. Romans tells us they have been made blind so Gentiles could be grafted in. They don't want to even read the New Testament to see that Jesus fulfilled EVERY OT prophesy for the coming Messiah. He quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book and more Jews are familiar with His quotes than even believing Christians. It's very difficult to have these conversations with Jews, however, because of preconceived ideas embedded since childhood. They recognize proselytizing and reject it out of hand, instead of arguing their side of the conversation. Calling Jesus a bastard and Mary a whore is a poor way to start a meaningful apologetic conversation. Most of the Messianic Jews I've talked to just read the New Testament with another Messianic Jew there to explain.

I have the same problem just trying to point out that the Dems were on Hitler's side in the 30's and FDR turned back a shipload of refugee's from Europe only to have them sent to the ovens, yet most Jews vote Dem today. The NYT praised Hitler every chance they got. These "memes" are very hard to remove and replace. If I were a Jew, I would have an arsenal of weapons and tons of ammo, then I could confidently say "Never Again!", yet they still vote Dem.

Christians should be taught very early Genesis 12:3 is still in effect today because God never changes. The reason Jews have money, invent new drugs and devices, own Hollywood, own the banks, have more Nobel Prizes than any other race is because they are blessed by God, not just to make the KKK angry.

The Bible is quite clear that God will put Israel back in their land given to them in Genesis 15 if it's the last thing God does in Revelation. Ezekiel 37 speaks of the reconstituted Israel coming back to life in 1948 and they won't lose the land again. Any attempt to trade Land for Peace will result in a terrible death of the negotiators. Attack will end in defeat and tears for the attackers. We are truly in the Last Days and Jesus will return soon and all of it depends on the position Israel finds itself in. Trump just accelerated this timeline by recognizing Jerusalem and the West Bank as Jewish land. Israel is discussing at a fevered pitch building the 3rd Temple and they believe their Messiah will come soon. Their Messiah will be the Antichrist and will sit in the new Temple before they figure it out. As Christians, we need to remember the coming of Jesus will be as Jesus is now, in all His blazing glory to judge the world and rule an reign for 1000 years. Everyone will know it's Him, even the non believers. He won't appear as a mere man as He did the first time. Moses came down the mountain as a mere man and found the people worshiping a golden calf. The second time he came down with his face glowing from God's glory. When we see Jesus again, he will come in a glorified body as He is on His throne and is described in Revelation 1 and other places. Zech 12 says the Jews will see whom they pierced and mourn. God has a plan for Israel as He had a plan for me. My job is to speak to anyone that will listen and let the Holy Spirit do what He does. If a Jew will listen, I will show them chapter and verse just as I would show a Gentile alcoholic the way to Christ. Gods plan, however is global and His land will be Israel if He must kill a third of the earth to do it. As Cain left the presence of God he went East of Eden to Nod. The garden of Eden is West of Nod which is the land today of Israel. It belongs to Israel per God.

43 posted on 08/28/2019 10:27:22 AM PDT by chuckles
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