Posted on 08/26/2019 3:14:52 AM PDT by Cronos
Pentecostals began in the early 1900's. They sprung out of the Baptist and Methodist denominations. There are many splinter groups that refer to themselves as Pentecostals, but lack the criteria to be truly Pentecostal. Even as with other denominations there are some basic key points that must be held to in order to be considered Pentecostal. These basic tenets are referred to as the Pentecostal Pillars.
First, all true Pentecostals hold to the Fundamentals of the Christian Faith. This means that they affirm the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ, The Deity of Christ, the Authority of the Scriptures, the Trinity, etc. Some groups claiming to be Pentecostal have erred from the way by denying these basic truths and thus are no longer truly Pentecostal or Christian for that matter.
Next, all true Pentecostals hold to Salvation by faith through grace in Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8,9. There is no other way to be saved other than by faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 Pentecostals believe that each of us by our own will have chosen to sin and are going to hell without salvation. But God in His love sent Jesus to die on the cross for us. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. There are two lines of teaching within the Pentecostals, one that God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4 and the other that we by our "free will" can choose to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Both lines of doctrine agree that Jesus is the only way. Baptism, Speaking in tongues, good works, etc. do not save only faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone saves.
Two Ordinances, this doctrine was borrowed from the Baptists primarily. Pentecostals generally believe in believer's immersion and the Lord's Supper. Once someone has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior they are to be Baptized usually by full immersion. The other ordinance is in memory of the Lord's Supper. Foot washing is sometimes practiced at the Lord's Supper at some Pentecostal churches.
Divine Healing is another tenet of the Pentecostals. Isaiah 53:4-6 Pentecostals and some Baptists and Methodists believe that when Jesus died on the cross, He died not only for our sins, but for our Physical Healing. The verse says "with His stripes we are healed." The Hebrew word is "Rapha" which means Physical Healing. Those who argue against this say, that this was symbolic of the stripes he bore for our sins. Jesus paid for our sins physically and thus heals our soul's diseases only. Those who argue for Divine Healing state that Jesus Paid for both our sins and our healing.
Finally, the Gift of Tongues is a tenet of the Pentecostals. Pentecostals believe that there is a second infilling of the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues doesn't save, but sometime after salvation there is a second infilling or Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2 They say the evidence of the infilling is speaking in 'unknown tongues'. Those who disagree believe that the Biblical gift of tongues was foreign languages or tongues (languages) that we unknown to that individual who was using them. I & II Corinthians They, also, teach that the Holy Spirit fills or baptizes someone at salvation and doesn't need to a second infilling. The third point those who disagree make is that they feel the gift of tongues ceased when the Bible was completed. I Corinthians 13.
These four main points are the basic tenets of the Pentecostals. Pentecostals disagree on many other issues like whether there should be women clergy, foot washing, church governments, etc. But to be a true Pentecostal a person or church must hold to the Fundamentals of the Christian Faith and Four Pentecostal Pillars (basic tenets).
Some churches that do hold to the above for the most part are the Assemblies of God, many Non-denominational churches, and some Churches of God.
Some churches that claim to be Pentecostal but deny the Trinity, a Fundamental of the Christian Faith are the United Pentecostal Church, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, and all other "Jesus Only" or "oneness" churches. These churches have erred from the faith and are no longer Christian, but by definition a cult.
Some churches that claim to be Pentecostal but have a works based salvation are the so-called holiness groups. They teach that in order to remain saved you can't sin. Every time you sin you lose your salvation. They believe that your salvation hinges on you and not on Jesus. This group is ultra-arminian in doctrine. Pentecostal Holiness Church International is one example of a holiness denomination. Since, the holiness group errs from the faith in that they are wrong on salvation they no longer are truly Pentecostal. A works based salvation is not salvation by grace and thus we will not spend eternity together with them.
Nope.
He is saying that believing that works are a part of getting salvation, means you're not saved.
The Bible clearly states that by grace are you saved,
not by works,
Lest anyone boast.
Grace means Christ did EVERYTHING.
True faith is believing THAT he DID everything , that no other requirements are needed.
Any works done, are in response to what Christ did,
NOT a prelude or addendum to.
Once works are added to the attainment of salvation, grace ceases to be grace. A free gift from God.
Honestly, not a big fan of the Charismatic movement, but all the same, a papist is probably not going to be my first choice for getting information about them.
I was raised Pentecostal. Lived with my grandparents and my grandfather was a Pentecostal preacher. Had his own Church of God. Went to church 4 to 5 times a week. Skirts below the knees. Sleeves right below the elbows. No makeup or hair cutting. No jewelry other than a wedding band. No doctors because Jesus would heal you....although that part has changed. Yes, most of my family is still Pentecostal. And no, they weren’t allowed to beat their women, or anyone for that matter. They were/are a peaceful bunch.
16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The word "believe" comes from the word pisteuó meaning persuaded.
One can persuade themselves of something,
Or they can be persuaded by God.
Only context indicates which one.
The context of John 3, is being persuaded by God.
Thus God has already extended grace.
“Is he saying that someone who believes in Jesus, but also believes that works are also necessary, is not saved?”
Probably.
If you think you have to do something, you don’t believe Jesus saved you through His death and resurrection.
Thank you - I’ll read it later. But I reject both Pelaginansim and semi-Pelaginansim —> as I said, we can’t save ourselves, no matter what we do — that was what Pelagius asserted.
More, let me get back to you tomorrow :)
Thank you for that explanation of why your Pentecostal church rejects the Trinity
1. Which of the 120 spirit-born disciples spoke in a language in which he/she had no training?
2. Which verse certified that any disciple spoke in a foreign language?
3. Were any if the words spoken by the prophets written down as inspired scripture?
4. If so, where may one find them?
Some do.
So what?
Because the article went on to say that those who deny the Trinity are cults.
You should not have forgotten to post that part.
Otherwise it looks like youre trying to broadbrush all of Pentecostalism.
That is not representative of the Pentecostals I have met, and I know a lot of them.
Thats not the fault of Pentecostalism.
Thats a cultural thing by some power hungry demagogues who abuse Scripture as an excuse to justify their behavior.
That Matthew 24 verse is NOT about salvation.
Its spoken about those going through the Tribulation period, not a general verse to the current church age believers.
The context tells you who Jesus is talking about and when.
Thats one of the most misapplied verses works based salvationists use to justify their doctrine.
PWND.
The problem happens when one takes one section of the word in isolation.
Excellent post. Its amazing how many people cherrypick the verse they prefer and completely dismiss other verses on the same subject matter.
Thank you for your patience and reply.
To your first paragraph - it is scriptural that we choose to believe. But note my assertion that the ability, the fact that we can is due to God’s grace. It is not something we can be proud of, nor that we save ourselves. It is that we choose to hold on to the life-saving ring thrown around us by God (God’s grace being the ring)
This is NOT Pelagian - as I stated clearly, grace is essential for and is how we are saved. We do not save ourselves.
“your answers below...” — no, I pointed out these are evidences of grace given by God, but those that God said we should do as a sign of our grace
Matt 24:12 “endure to the end”
Matt 25 - look after the poor and sick
1 Pet - baptism
Acts 16:31 believe and be saved’
Note that each point it is God’s grace that acts through us, and it is God’s grace that saves us.
1. well it says “each of them” the spirit came upon. It’s a pretty valid assumption that the vast majority knew Aramaic as their first language with hebrew and greek to different levels. There might have been some who knew Latin (Romanes eunt domum :) )
2. Acts 2:6
3. Yes -
4. Initially the septuagint, then in the first canons of the collection of books called the bible
So what?
Well it’s a pretty big deal to have Christians who reject the Trinity. Above you’ve got a person who outlines why his pentecostal kirk rejects the Trinity.
Do you reject the Trinity as well?
Thats not the main point of my post.
You focused on that and left it hanging as if it were representative of all Pentecostalism.
That is wrong.
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