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This is correct. The book of the Apocalypse completes what Jesus said "THIS generation" will see the destruction of Jerusalem.
1 posted on 07/23/2019 5:26:09 AM PDT by Cronos
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What I’ve come to realize is that the church of my youth probably had the rapture all wrong.

Yet given credit to whom credit (blame) is due:

“Another suggestion traces the influence to a Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza (1731-1801), who was born in Chile but came to Italy in 1767 where he would spend the rest of his life. Posing as a converted Jew (under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra), he wrote, in Spanish, a large apocalyptic work entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty. The book appeared first in 1811, 10 years after his death. http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac1005.asp

Another influence is said to be a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian, identified with the Futurist Christian eschatological view.

“In the Dictionary of Premillennial Theology (1997) it is said that Ribera was an Augustinian amillennialist, who may have revived a “mild” form of futurism.[1] His interpretation was then followed by Robert Bellarmine and Thomas Malvenda.[2]

Thomas Brightman, in particular, writing in the early 17th century as an English Protestant, contested Ribera’s views. He argued that the Catholic use of the Vulgate had withheld commentary from the Book of Revelation, and then provided an interpretation avoiding the connection with the Papacy put forward in the historicist point of view.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Lacunza

Ribera “in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the antichrist way down at the end of the age.” http://www.theologue.org/Theory-JPEby.html (Protestant source, which gives the most lengthy explanation).

70 posted on 07/23/2019 7:45:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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The popular version of the rapture came about around the mid-to-late 1800’s; see John Nelson Darby.

It didn’t get widespread coverage till “Late Great Planet Earth” book came out.

Major denominations such as Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran didn’t teach it.


75 posted on 07/23/2019 7:51:51 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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http://life4square.com/endtimes/index.htm

A really good essay on the End Times by one of the pastors at my church.


88 posted on 07/23/2019 8:33:25 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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What is your preferred denomination? Do you know who the literal ‘anti-Christ’ is? And NO I do not believe Jesus Our Lord and Savior will be making a quick trip in the clouds, to collect anyone. He never even hinted as such a happening. Paul was teaching where those that died were ... Gravity is not going to allow flesh bodies to float up to heaven.

The Creator owns this earth and His favorite stated place is Jerusalem and He intends to reclaim it. That ‘tribulation’ so many shake in fear over is ‘mass deception’, not a ‘blood letting’.

119 posted on 07/23/2019 9:40:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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The author of this piece, Kurt Willems, is a self-described Progressive Christian.

What do Progressive Christians believe?

Oh, progressive stuff. Like this:

” I realize that the pastor is entitled to his opinion as theologically, ethically, and politically misguided as it may be. But, as biblically orthodox as this pastor believes himself to be, it is again ironic that the conservative Christian community has, for the most part, either supported or been silent about Trump’s recent racist comments, his traumatizing of children on our borders, and the fact that his xenophobic viewpoint, all of which are contrary to the message of the Bible. “

https://www.patheos.com/progressive-christian


144 posted on 07/23/2019 11:27:41 AM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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When Kurt isn't spending his time telling Rapture fans that they are dopes, he tweets:

Kurt Willems ‏@KurtWillems Jul 12

"If u think that US doesn’t have resources for asylum seekers being dehumanized at our border, then I invite u to consider our military spending. War (& global overreach) is a drain on our resources, not human need. "

Kurt also finds time to offer his opinion of American foreign policy:

"The ones who have experienced the full wrath of Empire in the US, of course, are sisters and brothers of color and indigenous persons. I have no words for their experiences because these are not my stories. But I do believe, as a person of European decent, that I am invited to follow Jesus in hearing the cries of the marginalized in this nation and beyond."

https://theologycurator.com/july-4th-kingdom-lenses/

149 posted on 07/23/2019 12:05:07 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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What I’ve come to realize is that the church of my youth probably had the rapture all wrong. You see, the Bible flows from Creation (Gen 1-2) to Renewed Creation (Rev 21-22). This is the narrative of Scripture. Nothing in the text (if read in its proper context) alludes to the actual complete destruction of the planet. This world’s worth to the Creator runs deep and because of this, the world as a whole ought to be intrinsically valuable to us.

You obviously are addressing your fellow Catholics in this piece since those actual bible believers who know a little bible can do nothing but shake their heads in wonderment at such a poor attempt to critique the bible...

2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 

Mar 13:31  Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 

Rev 20:11  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 

2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

There's more...Much, much more but these ought to convince any spirit filled Christian that you don't have a clue...

163 posted on 07/23/2019 5:30:10 PM PDT by Iscool
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Blasphemy!!!!!!!


169 posted on 07/23/2019 7:27:47 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Live Free or Die)
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Lies you are spreading lies from the very fires synagogues of hell


170 posted on 07/23/2019 7:30:49 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Live Free or Die)
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I do; however; find it strange that the verses just PRECEDING this #17 seem to gotten little attention:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16

The Coming of the Lord

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.

14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,4 that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.

And the dead in Christ will rise first.


203 posted on 07/24/2019 4:59:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Bump for later


351 posted on 07/25/2019 10:18:57 AM PDT by winodog
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What's all this about the nba champion basketball team from Toronto?

358 posted on 07/25/2019 2:51:22 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Cronos; Roman_War_Criminal; SaveFerris
The book of the Apocalypse completes what Jesus said "THIS generation" will see the destruction of Jerusalem.

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples asked Jesus this question.

“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

It's asking about His Second Coming. The disciples asked about THAT time. bout FUTURE events.

So that sets the stage for the rest of Matthew 24. Jesus is answering THAT question, the question related to His Second Coming.

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD was not the Second Coming of Christ. That is in the future yet. It could not be what Jesus was talking about because it's not part of the Second Coming.

Nor did that time see wars and earthquakes and famines of the degree that He indicated.

The gospel had not been proclaimed to the whole world yet, and even now has still not.

The fig tree symbolizes Israel and Jesus said that the lesson of the fig tree is that when it puts out its shoots, you know that summer is near, so that hen they saw those signs He mentioned, then His coming is near.

Jesus did not return in 70 AD.

So these signs and their fulfillment must have yet to happen.

Now comes the verse that everyone looking to deny the rapture and tribulation messes up.

Jesus says this....."Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

So in the midst of this entire discourse on the Tribulation, the end times, and His Second Coming, all of a sudden we're supposed to think that Jesus switches back to talking about the present generation for ONE sentence, and then goes back to discussing future events related to His Second Coming?

Hardly...... It makes no sense.

The *this generation* means the generation that is alive when those things begin and occur, just before the Second Coming of Jesus.

If Jesus meant the generation to which He was talking was going to be the ones to see those signs and His Second Coming, and we know the prophecy was not fulfilled in 70 AD as Jesus did not return then, that would then mean Jesus must be considered a false prophet.

365 posted on 07/25/2019 8:29:33 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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