Good question; but you can pretty much bet when yet another FR Catholic selectively posts that PETER is the Rock; another FReeper will come along after that and SPAM the thread with SCRIPTURE!
Great is the MEGO in THIS one.
Posted on 07/07/2019 9:21:48 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
there is freedom to disagree with each other in areas not critical to salvation, just like Catholics are permitted.
Or are out resident Catholics going to try to convince us that every single Catholic on the planet agrees lockstep with Catholic doctrine, if they can even pin that down and define it.
Romans 14:1-9 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Romans 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
I see one of the big differences between Catholicism and non- Catholics that is we trust each other to be accountable to God ourselves.
Sure, we help each other and confront each other when necessary, but we answer to God, not other men who are lording it over us demanding compliance to their interpretation of Scripture or threaten us with hellfire if we don’t.
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Wow. Look at that unity!!!!
Right?
Or would that be: Rite?
But they brag on how they are all in communion with each other and when we say we agree, they pitch a fit and say it can’t be so.
I am constantly amazed at how much Catholics allow for themselves and how much leeway they take when they are dso rigid when it comes to others.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15
Where would anyone get that idea?
"Bergoglio was not canonically elected;" "Bergoglio is the false prophet,"`"Bergoglio is a heretic;" "Bergoglio is probably homosexual himself;" "Bergoglio [is not] merely a heretic [but] an apostate;" "Bergoglio DESPISES God and His Holy Church;" "Bergoglio is just racing to bring this fake “Catholic Church” into full subjection to and incorporation in the global, socialist, totalitarian government...Bergoglio is pro-abortion...He has demonstrated his fondness for sodomy, Communism, and totalitarianism;" "Bergoglio is a Communist;" " Bergoglio is a sick, perverted communist...I pray that this man dies soon so he can be replaced by an actual Catholic;" "Bergoglio the Heretic;" "Pope Francis is a Modernist Heretic;" "The election of Bergoglio was illegitimate;" "Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the anti-pope and faker, is in Heresy;" ""A pope who is a manifest heretic by that fact ceases to be pope and head, just as he by that fact ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; " "Bergoglio is no more pope than Judas was an apostle after he betrayed Christ and hanged himself, and as such has no authority what so ever to declare or suggest anything to the Bride of Christ;"
(from various RCs, though i am not pinging them now) https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3748533/posts?page=8#8; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3698877/posts?page=1#1; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3745961/posts?page=8#8; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3518701/posts#1 https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3720148/posts; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3518701/posts?page=8#8; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3746475/posts?page=3#3; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3738190/posts?page=2#2; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3643933/posts?page=10#10; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3751455/posts?page=2#2; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3506736/posts?page=3#3; https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3746400/posts; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3423514/posts?page=1#1;
Not atypical of you.
“What sect taught you this?”
Now that’s spoken like a true pharisee always worried about the outside of the cup.
It’s called The Way Acts 9:2 or Christianity Acts 11:26 defined as a personal relationship with God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is responsible for this teaching and all born again Christians can receive it if they are willing.
If you’re after what denomination I belong to well I don’t. The church I attend is called a Christian Church and it has absolutely no associations we only read the Holy Bible and adhere to it and it alone.
You might want to try reading it yourself and quit using that catechism that has corrupted your soul and religious body you call a church, but in reality is the whore of rome.
We have the promise of Christ - “And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.”
How many times does God have to say that He is the only rock not Peter, not the Pope, or not Mary. Well I guess for a roman catholic there is no such number.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
Romans 8:33
just as it is written, “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock (4073 [e], Petras) that accompanied them, and that rock (4073 [e], Petra) was Christ.
1 Peter 2:8
and, “A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock (4073 [e], Petra) that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.
Matthew 14:28
“Lord, if it’s you,” Peter (4074 [e], Petros) replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deuteronomy 32:15
Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, they became heavy and sleek. They abandoned the God who made them and rejected the Rock their Savior.
Deuteronomy 32:18
You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Deuteronomy 32:30
How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
Deuteronomy 32:31
For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.
Deuteronomy 32:37
He will say: “Now where are their gods, the rock they took refuge in,
1 Samuel 2:2
“There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
2 Samuel 22:2
He said: “The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3
my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior— from violent people you save me.
2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
2 Samuel 22:47
“The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!
2 Samuel 23:3
The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: ‘When one rules over people in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
Psalm 18:2
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 18:31
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
Psalm 18:46
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
Psalm 19:14
May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 28:1
Of David. To you, LORD, I call; you are my Rock, do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who go down to the pit.
Psalm 31:2
Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
Psalm 31:3
Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.
Psalm 42:9
I say to God my Rock, “Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?”
Psalm 62:2
Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
Psalm 62:6
Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
Psalm 62:7
My salvation and my honor depend on God; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
Psalm 71:3
Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.
Psalm 78:35
They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.
Psalm 89:26
He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’
Psalm 92:15
proclaiming, “The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him.”
Psalm 94:22
But the LORD has become my fortress, and my God the rock in whom I take refuge.
Psalm 95:1
Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
Psalm 144:1
Of David. Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
Isaiah 8:14
He will be a holy place; for both Israel and Judah he will be a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare.
Isaiah 17:10
You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress. Therefore, though you set out the finest plants and plant imported vines,
Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD himself, is the Rock eternal.
Isaiah 30:29
And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people playing pipes go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
Isaiah 51:1
“Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness and who seek the LORD: Look to the rock from which you were cut and to the quarry from which you were hewn;
Habakkuk 1:12
LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, you will never die. You, LORD, have appointed them to execute judgment; you, my Rock, have ordained them to punish.
So?
He didn't go along with the MAJORITY of the powers that be?
Golly!
Sounds downright LUTHERAN!
Your Catholic 'church' really had some strong PILLARs according to what the Angel told John to write in the Book* that Rome compiled.
If you're gonna be in for a penny; you'd better to be ready to be in for a pound!
* Revelation: first three chapters.
Waving the EVIDENCE away with a flick of the Imperial hand.
(Need I repeat the first sentence here?)
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3748533/posts?page=8#8
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3698877/posts?page=1#1
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3745961/posts?page=8#8
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3518701/posts#1
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3720148/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3518701/posts?page=8#8
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3746475/posts?page=3#3
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3738190/posts?page=2#2
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3643933/posts?page=10#10
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3751455/posts?page=2#2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3506736/posts?page=3#3
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3746400/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3423514/posts?page=1#1
Not atypical of you. I was extremely fatigued at the time, not lazy, but which demand of active links is another petty objection (just select such links, right click and choose "open..." or "search...") from one who disallows Bergoglio as being the pope, yet will not even tell us who the last valid pope is. How typical of you.
Sound reproof (and good to hear from you), and indeed in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the so-called “church fathers” concur with.)
Good question; but you can pretty much bet when yet another FR Catholic selectively posts that PETER is the Rock; another FReeper will come along after that and SPAM the thread with SCRIPTURE!
Great is the MEGO in THIS one.
Thereby IGNORING all of the Early Church Fathers teachings on the subject!!
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:
• Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:
'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.
• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:
You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].
• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:
'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Churchand the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455
• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:
Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)
• Cyril of Alexandria:
When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.
• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'
“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)
• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):
Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.
Didja know that ORIGEN was NOT CANONIZED???
OOOooooh!
Do you deny that your church worships statues of Mary, relics of the saints, etc?
Bookmarking the MANY denominations of thew Catholic Church
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