[piusv]

I am hesitant to enter that debate just because I know it never goes anywhere positive.

I will say that I have heard nonCatholic responses from some of the same folks on other matters too. Of course oftentimes that’s because they don’t really know what the Church teaches.

If you want I will try to look into a good pre-Vatican 2 explanation tomorrow and post it.

[Elsie]

Of course oftentimes that’s because they don’t really know what the Church teaches.

The other times it's because they DO!

[Luircin]

I would appreciate it; what with all the discord on the thread it’d be nice to have someone to actually give me a straight answer, even if we’re not of the same opinions.

Privately would be acceptable if you don’t want to make waves.