Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.
Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?
No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.
Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.
Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17
She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.
We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".
Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.
But thank you for giving us example #5254625 of ... (drum roll)...
The Claude Paradigm
“You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.”
“We don’t believe X.”
“Wrong again. Yes you do.”
Careful re-reading often improves reading comprehension.
My catechism says Mary is a co-mediatrix...
But that's the danger of some of Rome's non-Scriptural positions regarding Mary.
There are some Roman Catholic writers who give the impression that it is Mary who is telling Jesus what to do in Heaven and He does it. They even suggest God does as she commands.
This is the error one runs into when one departs from Scripture as your source of Truth in these matters.
You mean once you became "accepted in the Beloved" on His account, then your eyes were opened to the nature of such a Catholic tradition by decree.
You pitiful dead soul Catholic, is it not your religion which asserts that Mary is the Mother of God? Is it not your religion which claims Mary's spouse is The Holy Spirit? And still you cannot see the foolishness you spout constantly on these threads! You have GOD fathering Jesus and assert that Jesus is God, so God is both the son of this humble woman and her husband. But I do not expect your catholicist mind to grasp the 'imp'lications ...
Thank you and God bless you.
Glad to be of service in exposing the blasphemies and heresies of your religion, which is not Christ-ianity but an ‘other religion’ as Paul put it.
Part of the problem is that Catholics here have told me Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Which of course is bogus.
She was married to Joseph and they consummated the marriage after Jesus was born.
Mary would not cheat on Joseph.
ain’t that the truth, and they’re all 100% right
“...which is not Christ-ianity but an ‘other religion’ as Paul put it.”
The pagan cult of mother-and-child worship began long before RC picked up on it. They’ve been very successful in making it appear truthful.
I guess you didn’t read the part about “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. It’s just a verse to be ignored, like “this is my body”
MHGinTN: "The body of ALL BELIEVERS since Pentecost Spirit Day IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST"
What are you fussing about? I believe that. That's what the Catholic Church has been teaching since the first century AD. I'd never deny that in a million years. But thank you for giving us example #5254624 of ... (drum roll)... The Claude Paradigm “You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.” “We don’t believe X.”
Rather, you are ignoring your statement that he responded to, which made Revelation 22:17 ("The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come!") apply to Mary in particular, whereas as shown , the only bride of Christ in Scripture is never one person, but the corporate body of Christ. (Colossians 1:18)
The church which the Lord promised would overcome the gates of Hell, the one true church to which He is married, (Ephesians 5:25) the "household of faith," (Galatians 6:10) which uniquely only always consists 100% of true believers, and which spiritual body of Christ is what the Spirit baptizes ever believer into, (1Co. 12:13) while organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.
Trying to weasel out of your statement that made Revelation 22:17 apply to Mary in particular by asserting that you also believe the church (or The Church®) is the Bride simply exposes your sophistry more.
Placemarker
Yikes. I didn't say Mary was Jesus' wife. Please calm down. But thank you for giving us example #5254625 of ... (drum roll)... The Claude Paradigm “You Catholics are wrong because you believe X.” “We don’t believe X.” “Wrong again. Yes you do.”
Once again you misconstrue what MHGinTN was responding to, which was not what you actually stated but what he argued was the logical consequence of making Mary the mother of God and the wife of God.
Which i am sure you could respond to rather than misconstruing your opposition.
The point is, Gen 3:15 is not a proof-test for the docrine of the Immaculate Conception: please note that the doctrine does not depend on the pronoun “she” for proof. The pronoun refers to her [Eve’s] seed.
Here''s the quotation of Genesis 3:15 in New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE)
I will put enmity between you and the woman,The word is, at its simplest, "seed," meaning offspring. Here it is construed as a collective singular; hence, the pronoun "they."
and between your offspring and hers;
They will strike at your head,
while you strike at their heel.
The New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) is an English-language Catholic Bible translation.
Alternatively, the New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)construes "seed" or "offspring" in an equally legitimate singular sense; hence the pronoun "he":
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
I hope you don't mind that I'm agreeing with you.
Blasphemy and apostasy. There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ
Mary conceived in her womb and gave birth to Jesus Christ Our Lord. He is God. This does not mean she gave birth to the Trinity.
I think we both realize that. Whether this other party in TN realizes that, I do not know.
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