Posted on 06/11/2019 8:45:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
> The Talmud1 focuses in particular
No thanks. The Talmud is the touchstone of heretics. Every damn time I see someone proclaiming to be Jewish justifying something against spirit of the Torah, they refer to the Talmud.
But the Talmud is the work of men, not of God. Treating it as a text of definitive weight is deceptive.
From his bio:
> Zalman Nelson is a licensed therapist, online counselor, and freelance writer/editor. His private practice fuses modern therapeutic techniques with the ancient Jewish wisdom of Kabbalah and Chassidic thought.
Kabbalah too? Not an actual rabbi? And a New Age social worker? Triple no thanks.
> But the Talmud most certainly IS trash that needs to be destroyed.
While I don’t think your source gives fair treatment to the subject - almost every time I see a non-Jew refer to the Talmud, the quotes they use are almost always made-up ones, usually by Muslims - as a Jew I could not agree more with this conclusion. Every time I see something introduced as Jewish in nature, but that thing is not in accord with the spirit of the Torah, the Talmud is the source. Every f-ing time.
It’s the point where a person definitively holds a belief in contradiction with the Torah, and decides his own judgment is the greater of the two sources, where he is definitively no longer a Jew.
If people want to play deceptive word games about ethnicity, though, they can do it with someone else. I’m sick of the double-meaning word games and will not play along.
There is not one Christian claim against the Talmud that is correct. I am speaking literally.
When a gentile brings a “proof” from the Talmud about a Jew’s negative treatment or beliefs about gentiles it is always 100% the opposite intent of the passage or conversation. I challenge you to find the websites and bring the proofs. They have all already been categorized and refuted.
Why are you challenging me? I said the same thing.
No, providing ammo. Easier to tag you than every “blah blah...Talmud” post in the thread.
I’m under no illusions. I’ve gone down the “Talmud quotes” rabbit hole before, attempted to source all the quotes, and surprise surprise they all originate from some jihadi.
Oh really? Thanks for taking up a bunch of bandwidth with a bunch of baloney. Replacement theology much? I'll file this under "Cat Litter", although frankly, Tidy Cat is much more useful.
Crawl back to whatever trailer park you came from.
Your baby mamma wants her check.
No apology needed and nothing to be sorry about.
Heck, if you thought I was offended, my tone was probably too strident. Danger of text and no vocal intonation. So I’m sorry!
Oh, believe me, I’ve seen plenty of Jewish sources, actual Jewish sources mind you, cite those exact things. Heck, I linked a video to Yossi Gurvitz exposing some rather hair-raising elements of the Torah earlier, and last I checked, he was Jewish. And that Angelfire link I gave earlier was written by a Rabbi. I’ve got plenty more if you’re interested:
*http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2863-ben-dama
*http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10846-min
Origin of Jesus’s name being Yeshua in Talmud.
*http://www.v-a.com/bible/jesus.html
*https://askdrbrown.org/library/what-original-hebrew-name-jesus-and-it-true-name-jesus-really
*https://jewsforjesus.org/newsletter-mar-2008/y-shua-or-yeshu
*http://www.halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_57.html
The last two sources, BTW, come from actual Jewish people.
I can also cite to you Nicholas Donin (Nicolas Donin) of La Rochelle, who was responsible for all Talmudic Manuscripts that were available to be burned in Paris.
And just as an FYI, common sense question, do you really think I’d condemn the Quran and denounce both the Talmud and the Quran as being no different or even much better if I had been muslim? As a matter of fact, I’m actually Catholic, the only other religion I even belonged to was Anglican when I was a kid.
I’m not from a Trailer park, and just so you know, I just cited sources from actual Jewish people that exposed certain elements from the Talmud, so I would rethink saying that (besides, resorting to personal insults instead of addressing the argument means you automatically lost the argument).
Well, it is. Why else would Jesus predict the destruction of the Jewish Temple by the Romans in 40 years time in the Gospels?
Seriously? You’re going to use faithweb as a source? By that same token, I could easily use faithweb as a source for how the Quran is not as bad as people make it out to be, even when it actually is. Either way, plenty of other sources, written by actual Jewish people, no less, contradict that claim. When Jewish people comment on the Talmud’s negative stuff and make clear it is true (and those who actually studied it, I should add), I’d guess that’s actually true (why would they mention it otherwise?).
Aha! We have another scholar....
I hope that’s not sarcastic, because I did try to find those sources, with help no less.
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