Posted on 06/11/2019 8:45:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Jews regard “Messianic Jews” (who are not Jews in any sense of the word) as a) a fraud; and b) hostile, aggressive attempts at conversion through deceit.
RE: aggressive attempts at conversion through deceit.
I’m trying to understand the words “aggressive” and “deceit”.
Can you be more specific?
If you believe Jesus was the Messiah, you are a Christian - full stop.
If a person who believes that calls themselves a Jew, that is deceit. The promotion of this false Jewry as a means of converting Jews into Christians is the aggression.
They are simply obeying the “great commission”.
Until now I have avoided threads like this one, but I have seen a few of them lately and I wonder if someone has a mission of separating Jewish and Christian conservatives from one-another.
Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It is not just a geographic area; it is the place that the Jewish Bible identifies as the home of the Jews’ Temple in Jerusalem, the land where certain laws relating to the land are followed (and they do not apply anywhere else in the world). The Five Books of Moses tell the story of the Jews being sent by G-d to Israel, the promised land. The prophets and the other writings (by and large discuss the penalties imposed on the Jews for misbehavior in the land of Israel.
Since the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba rebellion about 70 years after the Second Temple was destroyed, Jews have longed to be back in Israel. The cry of “Next Year in Jerusalem” was said at the end of the Passover seder; Jews would leave a little bit of their homes unfinished in commemoration of the destruction of the Temple; at Jewish weddings the Groom breaks a glass under his foot just when he is married in order to commemorate that destruction.
Hatikva, the national anthem of the Jewish State of Israel, expresses the hope (that is what HaTikva means) that the Jews can be a free people in their land).
Jews do not begrudge a Christian presence in Israel. To the contrary, they are welcomed. The Christian sites, including monasteries, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and others, are visited by millions of Christian pilgrims every year. In 2018 alone, some 25 million tourists visited Israel, and most of them are not Jews.
All the Jews ask is that Christians not try to convert Jews by subterfuge. Pretending to be Jews, approaching uninformed Jews to convince them that they can be both Jews and Christians, inviting them to Christian prayer meetings without calling them Christian — all of this is a sly, underhanded way to insinuate their religion into the body politic of the Jewish people.
In my opinion, it is unethical to do this, and the consequence is that it makes Jews distrustful of Christians and makes Christians resentful of Jews. It is time for this to stop. We have so much more in common than what divides us. Sneaky efforts like these destroy those common bonds.
So then, you consider a person Jewish only by belief and not by DNA?
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Take you anti- Yeshua hate somwehere else, it doesnt belong on fr.
By your use of the word "Yeshua", you have identified yourself as either a messyonic or a sympathizer of them. That is a word that they use, providing a convenient identifier. Therefore, it is YOU who advocates perpetuating a fraud on FR, not me. I've done nothing but provide a complete explanation of what messyonics do.
So full of hate for the LORD. So sad.
You WILL bow to Yeshua one ray, I pray you do it in this life.
Ein is expressing his opinion. He/she is an old timer here. There are strong feelings expressed in the article. What’s wrong with that? Why not ask what Ein’s experience has been? Any Jew living in NYC has known folks on both side of this issue.
Messianic Jews are Christians. And their practice is to fool Jews to think they are NOT CHRISTIANS. Their mission is to convert JEWS to CHRISTIANITY. Jews consider this dishonest and unethical.
Jews do not consider Jesus a prophet, as do Muslims. They do not consider Jesus the Son of Gd and Savior and the Messiah as Christians do.
If you consider Jesus the Messiah you are BY DEFINITION a Christian. Nothing wrong with it: own it and be honest.
Dishonesty, trickery, and deceptively converting people to Christianity is wrong.
There is no deception, as he vlaoms. The first belivers remained Jewish, and the roots of the faith are Jewish. He is lying, and the truth must be told.
Thanks for providing everyone here a beautiful demonstration of your lack of respect for other religions. And I suppose you'll take up sticking your rear end up in the air 5 times a day out of respect for Allah, hmmm?
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