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[Cath Cauc] Francis criticizes traditionalist Catholics who 'safeguard the ashes' of the past
National Catholic Reporter ^ | June 2, 2019 | Joshua J. McElwee

Posted on 06/03/2019 4:03:11 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

Hi. My note was perhaps too brief to be 100 percent clear. Sorry. I was indeed questioning his election: selection. Just as you are. By their deeds Ye shall know them.
Francis doesn’t ring high on that scale, imho


21 posted on 06/03/2019 7:15:03 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: pbear8

Yes. Many including pope Benedict have notes that cardinals have free will and can ignore or defy any divine influence they may receive


22 posted on 06/03/2019 7:16:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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Continuing about Pope Benedict’s comment —. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was asked on Bavarian television in 1997 if the Holy Spirit is responsible for who gets elected. This was his response:

I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the Pope. … I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit’s role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined.

Further:


23 posted on 06/03/2019 7:19:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: ebb tide

I’ve never heard him criticize Muslims who still live in the 7th century.


24 posted on 06/03/2019 8:08:36 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: ebb tide

Is this guy asking to get taken out?


25 posted on 06/03/2019 8:25:52 PM PDT by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: ebb tide
They would be ashes IF "the gates of Hell had prevailed against it.

But, Christ promised us that would not happen Francis.

26 posted on 06/04/2019 6:11:39 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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I wouldn’t blame it on the Holy Spirit if I were you.

Very true. In order for Him to work the men involved must be listening.


27 posted on 06/04/2019 7:16:12 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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28 posted on 06/04/2019 7:28:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: faithhopecharity

Thank you for Pope Benedict’s comment. I’m seeing it in the consideration of the wrong turn of Vatican II. The corrective method is to have the very worst possible “Holy Father” installed, to magify and outrage. Yes, Holy Spirit indeed.


29 posted on 06/04/2019 8:42:32 AM PDT by Daffy
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