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Former Vatican head of doctrine: Christians ‘cannot pray like or with Muslims’
LifeSite News ^ | May 21, 2019 | Martin M. Barillas

Posted on 05/22/2019 4:16:32 PM PDT by ebb tide

Former Vatican head of doctrine: Christians ‘cannot pray like or with Muslims’

ROME, May 21, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Cardinal Gerhard Müller, former prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said in a recent interview that Christians “cannot pray like or with Muslims.”

Cardinal Müller, who held the position once occupied by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, gave a reflection in Verona on the theme “Prayer: A gift from God.” Speaking on May 17, he told hundreds of listeners that “the faithful of Islam are not adopted children of God by the grace of Christ, but only his subjects.” Therefore, he said, with regard to Christians, “We cannot pray like or with Muslims.”

Cardinal Müller reflected that this is because “their faith in God and his self-revelation is not only different from the Christian faith in God, but even denies its formula, claiming that God does not have a Son, who, as the eternal Word of the Father, is a divine person, and, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, is the One and Trinitarian God.”

The former archbishop of Regensburg, Germany, said Muslims “can only pray to a distant God, submitting to his will as an unknown destiny. Their prayer expresses the blind subordination to the dominant will of God. The Christian instead prays that the will of God be done, a will that we do in liberty and that does not make us slaves, but free children of God.”

Speaking at the Basilica of St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus in the company of Bishop Giuseppe Zenti, Müller asserted that Christians, unlike the adherents of other religions, “do not view their neighbors, who do not want or cannot believe in God, as opponents or victims of the Zeitgeist to be pitied, but as brothers whose Creator and Father is the only God, the One who seeks them out.

“They [Christians] offer an honest dialogue regarding the question that determines the meaning of being in general and of human existence in particular, because they feel united to them in the search for a better world.”

For Müller, “even Islam has faith in the one God, but which is understood as a natural faith in the existence of God and not as faith as a virtue infused with hope and love, which makes us sharers in the life of God, ensuring that we remain in him and he in us.”

The cardinal recalled that “even some atheists pray,” but “their turn to themselves is typical of the atheistic prayer.” He said the latter is “the opposite of Christian prayer,” because “if man himself is a god to man [homo homini Deus], then he prays turning to himself in the form of a meditation that always revolves around himself: Man is both the subject and the object of prayer.”

Other theologians have pointed to similar essential differences between Christianity and Islam. For example, the late Rev. James Schall pointed out in On Islam: A Chronological Record, 2002-2008 that the book that Muslims revere is not from God. Christians misunderstand Muslims’ views is because they misunderstand Islam, Schall wrote.

To counter the spread of Islam and the migration of Muslims, Schall wrote, “The first step needed, then, is the affirmation, from the Christian side, that these views are as such false. They cannot be divine revelations.”

According to Schall, the problem with Islam is its “voluntarist metaphysics” that leads Muslim terrorists, for example, to wage war on the West. Theological voluntarism asserts that God’s essence is a form of will [voluntas] and whose decisions cannot be explained in terms of reason. Voluntarists believe, Schall writes, that “[w]hat is behind all reality is a will that can always be otherwise. It is not bound to any one truth.” Consequently, God [Allah] is not limited by the distinction.

Muslims, Schall writes, “affirm that evil should not be done. But sometimes it should be done. In that case, evil becomes good.”


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1 posted on 05/22/2019 4:16:32 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Biggirl; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; Hieronymus; irishjuggler; G Larry; ...

Ping


2 posted on 05/22/2019 4:17:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

This is part of the reason for the tag, which see.


3 posted on 05/22/2019 4:19:22 PM PDT by upchuck (No muzzy is fit to hold public office - their cult (religion) is incompatible with the Constitution.)
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To: upchuck

Crusades 2.0 is going to be a one-sided blood bath.


4 posted on 05/22/2019 4:21:36 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: ebb tide
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." CCC 841

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

5 posted on 05/22/2019 4:24:01 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

There is no 10 commandments in Islam, there is only the 5 pillars. There is no golden rule, no “love thy enemy”. There is only Jihad and “kill thy enemy”. There is no Christ, just a mass-murdering pedophile who is supposed to represent “the perfect man”.


6 posted on 05/22/2019 4:27:34 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: ebb tide
Muslims worship a false god. The only true God is the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three distinct Persons in one divine Being.
7 posted on 05/22/2019 4:36:39 PM PDT by Ullus (This is about ALL Christians)
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To: ealgeone; ebb tide
I would ask that the essential paragraphs at the end of this section of the Catechism, should be quoted as well. I am sure you would not want to omit them and thus unintentionally mislead people:

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.

845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church.


8 posted on 05/22/2019 4:38:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you: to act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Well, I would disagree with that as the Muslims do not hold or profess the faith of Abraham.

They do not adore the one, merciful God.

Islam worships the false god Allah. He is in no way related to the God of Scripture. Not even close.

Allah will not judge anyone on the last day. He, however, will be judged by God.

For Roman Catholicism to not recognize this error is very alarming.

9 posted on 05/22/2019 4:47:00 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
He is in no way related to the God of Scripture. Not even close.

islam (ismal...ishmael) exists because a failed merchant holed up in a cave and hallucinated or was actually possesses/obsessed by a djinn/demon who commanded that henceforth he and his followers become murderous sand pirates and pedophiles. It's a spiritual infection that bloomed into an epidemic.

This is the fundamental truth and motivating force behind islam.

10 posted on 05/22/2019 4:54:55 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (“Individual liberty and freedom are not outmoded concepts.”)
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11 posted on 05/22/2019 5:21:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you


12 posted on 05/22/2019 6:51:58 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: ealgeone
I've told you numerous times that I put no stock in JP II's catechism. It contains heresies and Francis propagates them:

Follow the Bouncing Catechism

The New Cathecism...Is it Catholic?

THE NEW CATECHISM - A MOUTHPIECE FOR VATICAN II

13 posted on 05/22/2019 6:53:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
I've told you numerous times that I put no stock in JP II's catechism. It contains heresies and Francis propagates them:

Sorry, ebb....but as a Roman Catholic you don't get to decide what is legit in your denomination. You have to obey your pope. You. Have. No. Choice.

14 posted on 05/22/2019 6:54:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Limiting the power of God again I see. Maybe through prayer a Muslim would come to see the truth.


15 posted on 05/22/2019 6:56:04 PM PDT by marajade (Skywalker)
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To: ebb tide
Of course your post illustrates what I've said, as well as others, about Roman Catholicism.

Scripture does not change. Roman Catholicism does.

16 posted on 05/22/2019 6:56:54 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Ullus

....”Muslims worship a false god”...

Exactly ...not the God of the Bible by any means. It’s pagan belief in Allah, a God that does not exist.


17 posted on 05/22/2019 7:00:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: Sirius Lee

Kinda like your garden variety college educated democrat.


18 posted on 05/22/2019 7:07:20 PM PDT by Jumper (The DNC's Big Tent ... a place where he opposition to America comes together)
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To: ealgeone

You’re wrong. I obey Jesus Christ.

And I think it hilarious that a prot is telling a Catholic what he has to believe.

Rant on!


19 posted on 05/22/2019 7:09:56 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
You’re wrong. I obey Jesus Christ.

I hope you do. But that Scapular you wear says otherwise.

And I think it hilarious that a prot is telling a Catholic what he has to believe.

Not sure what a "prot" is but I can certainly cite you Roman Catholic writings on the topic. Whether you agree with them is irrelevant. They are your denomination's official teachings....unless you're willing to publicly deny them.

20 posted on 05/22/2019 7:14:31 PM PDT by ealgeone
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